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The Image Offline Buy and Sell: On 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread EB-1 wrote: How is spreading rumors, lies, leaks and disinformation a good thing? It just encourages more of the same irresponsible behaviour. EB well i try to filter through the crap, but i do find alot of the info very interesting. for me because i want this camera so bad any info out there about it, be it rumor, speculation ,leaks ect i find interesting as well as others too. Jan 22, 2007 at 12:47 AM

stanj Online Image Upload: Off 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread My particular experience why I want GPS is my trip to Antarctica. You go and find me a good map of it. What will you do with all the pictures taken on the ship? For instance, it may be interesting to see how far apart two pictures were taken. It may be easy to find this out if you take a picture of a hotel in Vegas and the next one of the Hoover Dam, but if it's one ice berg and another one, tough luck. This is the reason why for my 2003 trip to Antarctica I wrote a program that does just that - mate handheld GPS data to my image library. Still, now I need to download the GPS data every day or so, make sure my camera clock is in sync with the GPS time, and make sure that I don't screw up somewhere on the way. If it wasn't for this custom software that mates any random picture to my file full of coordinates, I'd have no clue where something was taken. I'd sure rather have it be all automatic. We have heated and cooled seats in our cars, why not friggin' GPS in the camera. Jan 22, 2007 at 01:04 AM

darknite Offline Image Upload: Off 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread Hey Hammerli, The kvetching never stops...... Once PMA (am I allowed to say that?) is over, the topics will change to how built in GPS negates lens based IS when used south of the equator, and how this spells the end of Canon unless they release a Combined 1D body with variable crop sensor and fuzzy logic that doubles as an engine trouble light reader and thermodynamicentropy monitor built in to the new 16:9 widescreen LCD that is also wirelessly connected to your new iPod+video so you can at least stream movies from your home computer cause you are lost south of the equator due to the non functioning GPS that didn't play well with the 2 new direct print buttons that give auto output in case of a lens based IS failure due to bad variocrop data from the new 2.5gigapixel bayerfoveon cmos buzzword generator, which co-incidentally is incompatable with the thermodynamicentropy monitor and the cup holder v2.0 rev 1 software feature also connected to the IS/GPS circuit that is on the auxillary micro XDHD card reader BTW, I love my GPS and wouldn't mind if it would connect and send data to a body. Just don't build it into my camera. please. It wouldn't improve my photography, and would be seriously deficient compared to my real separate GPS unit and laptop. Hammerli wrote: Nowhere Man wrote: has anyone actually mentioned the term PMA on this thread? haha You must be new here PMA is sort of like PMS for guys here. Everyone gets b*tchy, their's is the only correct opinion (i.e. it's stupid for a camera not to have GPS, or it's stupid for a camera to have GPS), and some of us can't wait until it is over so the b*tching will stop Jan 22, 2007 at 01:14 AM

itguru Offline Image Upload: Off 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread Nowhere Man wrote: Imagine uploading your photos to a database that had a world map. It would be possible to link all of the images to the areas of the map where they were taken, simply by reading the GPS info. That would be a very cool interactive feature that I'm sure some 'dot com' is very much waiting to take advantage of and make millions. Sort of like a google earth, but with photos. Google earth has now already done this. Jan 22, 2007 at 01:18 AM

dinoadventures Offline Image Upload: On 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread Nowhere Man wrote: Imagine uploading your photos to a database that had a world map. It would be possible to link all of the images to the areas of the map where they were taken, simply by reading the GPS info. That would be a very cool interactive feature that I'm sure some 'dot com' is very much waiting to take advantage of and make millions. Sort of like a google earth, but with photos. http://www.wwmx.org/WebClient.aspx Jan 22, 2007 at 01:36 AM

Pixel Perfect Offline Image Upload: On 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread GPS is nice, but I think most would prefer a built-in wireless flash trigger first. A new MT-34EX wirelss flash macro setup would be welcome. Jan 22, 2007 at 01:44 AM

Hammerli Offline Image Upload: Off 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread Pixel Perfect wrote: GPS is nice, but I think most would prefer a built-in wireless flash trigger first. A new MT-34EX wirelss flash macro setup would be welcome. Agreed, while I might occasionally use a GPS system when on vacation, as a general rule I could do without, and certainly do not want to have to pay for it. On the other hand, I would be glad to pay extra for a wireless flash trigger and a built-in wireless receiver for a remote so I could get rid of my hulking LC-5 (assuming better range than the useless Rebel series unit.) Jan 22, 2007 at 02:02 AM

beewee Offline Image Upload: Off 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread stanj wrote: My particular experience why I want GPS is my trip to Antarctica. You go and find me a good map of it. What will you do with all the pictures taken on the ship? For instance, it may be interesting to see how far apart two pictures were taken. It may be easy to find this out if you take a picture of a hotel in Vegas and the next one of the Hoover Dam, but if it's one ice berg and another one, tough luck. This is the reason why for my 2003 trip to Antarctica I wrote a program that does just that - mate handheld GPS data to my image library. Still, now I need to download the GPS data every day or so, make sure my camera clock is in sync with the GPS time, and make sure that I don't screw up somewhere on the way. If it wasn't for this custom software that mates any random picture to my file full of coordinates, I'd have no clue where something was taken. I'd sure rather have it be all automatic. We have heated and cooled seats in our cars, why not friggin' GPS in the camera. I'm curious as to how many GPS satellites you were able to track while in antarctica as the performance and number of GPS satellites that are visible are much lower than in the mid latitudes due to inclination of the GPS satellite orbit. Just from a quick calculations, GPS satellites at the south pole will only reach as high as 49 degrees from the horizon. Also, most if not all GPS receivers will filter out satellites below 15 degrees from the horizon due to poor radio signal travelling throught the ionosphere. I'm thinking, you'll get 5 to 6 satelites at most depending on your latitude and time of day. Jan 22, 2007 at 02:09 AM

The Duck Offline Image Upload: Off 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread Wow...whoever said "PMS club" nailed it. You folks are cracking me up!! Page 57 and everyone's handwringing about GPS...too funny. Now, if Canon would put a decent email client in the next camera body so we had a real USE for wireless in a camera....now that would be cool!! As long as this is the GPS forum, you might take a look at how TripTracker has implemented mapping for photos. Very very cool (e.g., http://triptracker.net/trip/263/map/ )! This implementation isn't "it" yet...but it's much closer than smugmug and most other photo sites. Instead of a cluttered list of "pushpins", you get a great trip route overview mapped out, and you can click on a location for a fast visit to an annotated gallery of photos. That would put some nice geographic relevance on family vacations! Oh yeah...and you could also use the data to return to the site at which you photographed that memorable bug in the hopes of seeing it again...ha ha ha!! RoboGEO (http://www.robogeo.com/home/system.asp) can embed external GPS (or manually entered, or "pick from a map" etc) into RAW or JPG images, and even allows linking digital audio files to EXIF data - how cool would it be when viewing a photo online to be able to click to a link and listen to field notes, or a description of the special circumstances regarding the photo? Canon could easily and cheaply provide the GPS chip, and writing the data to EXIF for RAW or JPGS isn't exactly as complicated as "eye control", "face recognition" or other software R&D that actually took awhile. Or, they could just skip providing an application and make you buy RoboGeo to extract the GPS data and write it to the RAW or JPG files....it costs a whole $29 bucks or so at retail and won't make anyone skip their next "L" lens purchase. Meanwhile...my trusty 10D really wants to be upgraded, and I hope Canon comes out with a 5D-II or such sooner than later!! Can't wait to hear of any rumors...say....did you hear that Canon cameras will all feature thermometers to help advise the photographer what to wear?? Be seeing you, The Duck Jan 22, 2007 at 02:45 AM

darknite Offline Image Upload: Off 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread Hey Duck, don't sweat the PMS club. We are all just whistling in the dark and passing time since there are absolutely no rumors or leaks. What is the saying, 'the silence is deafening' In years past, there was usually something to go on. All we have seen here is some swag speculation, and some well thought out logical reasoning based on past Canon release behavior. I think we are all in fear that PMA will yeild nothing big, and we may have to wait until later in the year. Oh well, there is still the hope that something will come from Canon a week to 10 days before the show, or maybe at the SuperBowl. Its hard to imagine Canon not wanting to have new products and lots of press for their 70th, and the EOS systems' 20th Jan 22, 2007 at 02:58 AM

stanj Online Image Upload: Off 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread beewee wrote: I'm curious as to how many GPS satellites you were able to track while in antarctica as the performance and number of GPS satellites that are visible are much lower than in the mid latitudes due to inclination of the GPS satellite orbit. Just from a quick calculations, GPS satellites at the south pole will only reach as high as 49 degrees from the horizon. Also, most if not all GPS receivers will filter out satellites below 15 degrees from the horizon due to poor radio signal travelling throught the ionosphere. I don't remember, and I don't really care. Precision of 100m is more than sufficient for this kind of work, and I'd gamble to say that it would be good enough for the vast majority of applications. Jan 22, 2007 at 04:00 AM

beewee Offline Image Upload: Off 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread darknite wrote: Oh well, there is still the hope that something will come from Canon a week to 10 days before the show, or maybe at the SuperBowl. Its hard to imagine Canon not wanting to have new products and lots of press for their 70th, and the EOS systems' 20th It wouldn't surprise me if they are beta-testing at the superbowl. Jan 22, 2007 at 04:16 AM

lordcarl Offline Image Upload: Off 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread Two embargo dates are being considered: Feb 20 - if Canon decides to take part in UK's Focus in Imaging trade show which opens on Feb 25 in London. As of now, Canon has yet to confirm participation at Focus show. March 1 - 7 days away from PMA Show 2007's opening. We are going to hear officially from Canon either on Feb 20 or March 1 onwards! For those who are wondering, I found out this from a tecnical writer from my local newspaper's IT-tech section, who is being assigned to cover Focus at end of Feb. Jan 22, 2007 at 05:21 AM

Daniel Bates Offline Image Upload: Off 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread My apologies if this has been posted before... I got a tip from a friend and decided to pass on the favor. http://forum.xitek.com/showthread.php?threadid=422166 (no I don't read Chinese... but it looks like a 800mm f/5.6 DO IS USM.) Jan 22, 2007 at 05:32 AM

Erik Barzeski Offline Image Upload: Off 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread Daniel Bates wrote: (no I don't read Chinese... but it looks like a 800mm f/5.6 DO IS USM.) The last time I saw this faked page they'd forgotten to change the tab from 400 to 800. I see they've managed to fix that by now... Jan 22, 2007 at 05:58 AM

Nowhere Man Offline Image Upload: On 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread Daniel Bates wrote: My apologies if this has been posted before... I got a tip from a friend and decided to pass on the favor. http://forum.xitek.com/showthread.php?threadid=422166 (no I don't read Chinese... but it looks like a 800mm f/5.6 DO IS USM.) APology Accepted Would be fun to see that lens come to fruition but the too bad the poor schlep that pulled this together lacks in the Photoshop department, otherwise we might at least for a moment start to drool. Jan 22, 2007 at 06:17 AM

Andreas Schuet Offline Image Upload: Off 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread Somebody from the dpreview forum has found a leak in the Canon Hongkong website. http://www.canon.com.hk/tc/Consumer/Product/ProductDetail.aspx?product_id=10320&series_id=1000 There is no picture shown but the text " > 數碼相機 > 數碼單鏡反光相機 > EOS 40D" Because of the fact that www.canon.com.hk is a official Canon website that should indicate that a EOS 40 is comming soon. Andreas Jan 22, 2007 at 06:44 AM

Richard Steer Offline Image Upload: Off 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread Click the word "English" in the upper right corner to get the English version of the page. Nothing exciting there, except perhaps for the fact that the page exists? Jan 22, 2007 at 06:56 AM

Geoff Costello Offline Image Upload: Off 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread Hi, Just in case the 40D reference disappears from Canon HK Site (which is 99.99% likely ).the Google translation of the text is: Home page "products" Digital camera "single mirror reflective digital camera" EOS 40D EOS 40D The page looks just like their matching page for the 30D except it is missing the text below this describing the actual camera that is on the 30D page. Oh and a Google search shows no other 40D references in the Caonon HK site just now. Jan 22, 2007 at 07:03 AM

Geoff Costello Offline Image Upload: Off 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread Just for fun (and because before I saw the blank 40D page on the Canon HK site, a couple of the very confident “no 40D until September” posts had me wanting to verify the source I had which was this and the new 1 series would be soon (Feb / March)). So at lunchtime today I popped into to 3 local (Australian) camera city stores to ask the same question: “I have a 5D and was thinking of getting a 30D as a second body, could I see one and what was the price?” If needed, I'd follow this up with a query about should I wait for a 30D replacment. The first store (small) said that they had stopped stocking the 30D since December as they weren’t selling well – people were picking up the 400D or Nikon D80 and they didn’t wan to be stuck with old stock when Canon came out with a new model in the New Year. I asked when that was, they said that the Canon rep had been cagey but they understood it would be February or March, though it may not get to Australia straight away. They then offered to get me in a 30D and a “great price” by the end of the week. The second store (medium size) said that they didn’t stock 30D's anymore because people were going for the 400D or the Nikons or Pentax, but that their professional store still had them. They then asked if I was in a hurry to buy. I said “why” and they said that they had heard that there was a significant price reduction coming for the 30D in Australia, so I may want to wait for that. I asked about a replacement for the 30D and they said they hadn't heard anything official , but that it wouldn't surprise them to see a replacement, given that they found the 30D hard to sell against the competion in the last couple of months. The last store (large) had the 30D in stock and on special and they pushed it hard (offering to drop to price match the Nikon D80 + $100 as a opening possition). I asked why so cheap and the Nikon deal etc and they said that they had done a bulk order deal with Canon and where selling these off cheap to maintain volume. I then asked about a new model. They said that they had nothing definite and would ask the Canon rep next time he was in, but that the 20D and then the 350D were both discounted before new models were introduced. They then pointed out that both models (350D and 20D) were retained as current in the Canon line-up when the new models came out and the new models were then back at around the old models price before the reduction. They then pushed the great price, why wait for a potential new model that would cost more, did I really need more megapixels, the 8mp 30D was better than the 10mp 400D etc. I said that I would wait until I found out about any new model and then come back if the 30D still seemed attractive. Anyway – just one town and three stores…. But interesting… Jan 22, 2007 at 07:36 AM

roly72 Offline Image Upload: Off 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread Canon is not taking part in the focus on imaging show, same as last year when they decided not to take part. Any new cameras were in a small cabinet on a retailers stand (can't remember who it was now, maybe calumet). It is a shame, but it is probably indicative that canon thinks this shows is not really worthwhile to take part in anymore. lordcarl wrote: Two embargo dates are being considered: Feb 20 - if Canon decides to take part in UK's Focus in Imaging trade show which opens on Feb 25 in London. As of now, Canon has yet to confirm participation at Focus show. March 1 - 7 days away from PMA Show 2007's opening. We are going to hear officially from Canon either on Feb 20 or March 1 onwards! For those who are wondering, I found out this from a tecnical writer from my local newspaper's IT-tech section, who is being assigned to cover Focus at end of Feb. Jan 22, 2007 at 11:06 AM

nikt Offline Image Upload: Off 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread My bit here may only be relevant to Australia, but I confirmed today from our rep that there would not be any changes to our line up for the first half of the year. Though at first I thought I had a huge scoop, my 'don't trust the reps' too much thought came into it. The reason I take what our reps say with a grain-of-salt, is because I know how things work. For example, if people aren't buying the 30D (and stores not stocking them) because rumors abound about its replacements, then Canon will come out and tell us to stock up because there is no replacement. We are very close to whats going on though. A lot of sales staff from others stores aren't, they don't have the same training or information, and they make crap up to suit themselves. It would seem odd that if a 40D, 5D, 1D replacement were on the boards that Australia wouldn't get it because we generally get it at the same time (with Canon) as everyone else. So, the senarios are: - there is nothing planned for the first half of '07, - cameras will be announced but not released for 2 or 3 months (around second half of '07), - cameras are released but Australia doesn't get them straight away because of excess stock or whatever, - our rep is full of shit, is manipulating one of his biggest (and friendliest ) clients to sell current stock. For his sake, it better not be the last option. Jan 22, 2007 at 11:07 AM

darknite Offline Image Upload: Off 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread Woo Hoo! At long last! The Canon 'accidental leak' we have been drooling, lusting, and waiting over for the last 58 pages. MAybe some more to come in the next few days/ couple of weeks? Jan 22, 2007 at 01:18 PM

andyyau Offline Image Upload: Off 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread The Canon HK link has just been REMOVED!! This make another confirmation again for 40D. Jan 22, 2007 at 02:16 PM

Tentacle Offline Image Upload: Off 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread Sheesh, all this talk about the "40D being real!!!111oneoneone" 300D, 350D, 400D, I'll say it's a no-brainer that the next one will be the 450D, but that model just got updated, so we'll have to wait. 10D, 20D, 30D... Wanna wager a bet? 40D is pretty likely. No confirmation needed. Now, the specifications of the 40D are what's interesting. At least 10 mpixel, that's for sure. Digic III is also a safe bet. But the rest, including "when", remains to be seen. Jan 22, 2007 at 02:22 PM

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