andyyau wrote:
BUT Canon HK just reduced the official price of 5D in Jan. Now we can get 5D for only HK$18900 instead of HK$21000. (divide 7.8 for US$). This gives signal that 5D is going to be replaced.
Both the EOS 5D and EOS-1D MK II N were released at the same time, with the former being cheaper than the latter by US$700 initially.
Those who don't need the higher shooting speed go for the 5D due to its full-frame coverage and lighter overall package. Those who need the speed, weather-sealing, rugged construction and ability to withstand harsher shooting conditions will choose the EOS-1D MK II N.
Should the EOS-1D MK II N has the same 12.8MP full-frame coverage as the EOS 5D at the same US$3,999.95 price point, no one will be looking at the latter anymore as the choice of which to buy is obvious.
Since the EOS 5D did take away sales from the 1Ds MK II, an even lower priced full-frame 1D-series with same features as MK II N will no doubt take away sales from the 5D, hence the price drop and rebates being offered on this model at the moment.
Since my pro dealer assured me all the other existing EOS DSLRs in the current line-up (EOS 350D, EOS 400D, EOS 30D, EOS 5D and EOS-1Ds MK II) have not been tagged as "No longer Available" yet - I am more convinced that we will see a 3rd-generation 1D-series for PMA 2007 than a replacement for either EOS 30D or EOS 5D.
I predict Canon will position the EOS 5D at a much lower price point after March, maybe at the US$1700-1,900 levels for the six months leading to the Fall announcements in September.
Yes, but unfortunately Canon has no equivalent to the D2X/s.
For amateurs - no. But for Pros it does: 1Ds2+1D2N. I could hardly imagine that Nikon's Pro will go for engagement with only ONE D2Xs. As soon as he takes 2xD2Xs for 10 grants it immediately equates to 1Ds2+1D2N in price with significant bonus in features:
- more resolution
- more WA
- better IQ
- better ISO tange and performance;
- premium burst mode in each and every option: Mps,
frame rate and buffer depth.
"Smaller sensor has no advantage over big one unless you need more reach". But since Ultra-Tele Nikkors sitll lacks IS from 400 and upward, I consider 1D2N with its 1.25[ crop and excelent high-ISOs to axceed D2X here.
So IMHO D2X with its "all-in-one" approach is more the camera for "rich amateurs" rather than direct competition to any of existing 1D-series...
my wish would be a FF camera, watever camera, but cheaper than the 5d... Actually if it had a 1.3x crop factor.. i'll consider it
About the 10-24L its just amazing to have that lens. its my dream lens! i'll sell anything for it! i don't see why canon can't make it.. even Sigma has a 12-24 for full frame!
Sorry Vladimir, thats the craziest thing I've heard... well, today. I should give all my money back to the people who paid me when I was shooting with the D2Xs. Ha ha ... rich amatuers... thats so funny!
Anyway ladies, here's the scoop. There is no 30D replacement until about September. The 30D price is coming in for a reduction, a good one at that. In Australia, we're talking around $350 off the RRP.
Sorry about that chief, please feel free to speculate about all the other cameras.
PS Hate mail is always welcome, please remember to apologies later though should I be right.
lordcarl wrote:
Should the EOS-1D MK II N has the same 12.8MP full-frame coverage as the EOS 5D at the same US$3,999.95 price point, no one will be looking at the latter anymore as the choice of which to buy is obvious.
Since the EOS 5D did take away sales from the 1Ds MK II, an even lower priced full-frame 1D-series with same features as MK II N will no doubt take away sales from the 5D, hence the price drop and rebates being offered on this model at the moment.
It would be very logical for Canon to use a 5D sized high speed sensor in 1D's successor, if they can offer it with similar price than latest Nikon D2.
dcmiller wrote:
You guys stink at rumors. This is a rumor, from dpreview:
The new MF Canon camera sensor is 41.5x56mm and 40MP
New MF SL (Super L) lenses:
35/2.8
40/3.5 TS-E
45/2.8
70/2.8 TS-E
80/2
100/2.8 Macro 1:1
120/2.8 TS-E
200/2 IS
300/4 IS Macro 1:1
300/2.8 IS
600/5.6 IS
800/6.3 IS
1.4x
2x
35-80/2.8 IS
80-200/2.8 IS
200-600/5.6 IS
And more to come
Sorry, I don't know the prices
"Se non è vero, è ben trovato"
Ramón
I'll take this or the True Color. I don't care if the 30D marketed in spain should have been a slightly darker shade of gray.
The originator of the thread on Dpreview says the price will be around 10K, I'm assuming USD. Seems cheap until you look at the price of the Mamiya ZD.
asnapper wrote:
The originator of the thread on Dpreview says the price will be around 10K, I'm assuming USD. Seems cheap until you look at the price of the Mamiya ZD.
As I said earlier. I'm a die-hard Canon-fan. Currently I don't think they are quite as strong as they have been. Here's how:
In my view, Canon still has a pretty good grip at the low-end D-SLR Market. The 350D and 400D are good for their money, as the Nikon D40 has it's limitations.
The next segment currently belongs to Nikon as both the D80 and the D200 (especially the latter) were quite big steps compared to their predecessors. The 5D could be a good competitor to the D200 if the price was lowered quite a bit. A full-frame sensor is good, but it also has it's drawbacks (no access to EF-S glass), so it's not a killer-feature.
On the pro side Nikon has the upper hand due to value-for-money. Canon should also clean up in the high-end range as the 1D name is quite confused at the moment. It would be much better to introduce a 3D to replace the 1D mark II in my view.
The extreme high-end belongs to Canon, but I'm not sure how many pros need the extra resolution of the 1Ds. It's also a bit too heavy according to some.
Being strong in the low-end is important, so that job has Canon handled well. On the other hand, the profit for each low-end camera is not so high. Besides, many 350D / 400D-customers do not buy any extra lenses.
nikt wrote:
Anyway ladies, here's the scoop. There is no 30D replacement until about September. The 30D price is coming in for a reduction, a good one at that. In Australia, we're talking around $350 off the RRP.
So where did you get this "scoop"? Did it come to you in a dream?
lordcarl wrote:
Both the EOS 5D and EOS-1D MK II N were released at the same time, with the former being cheaper than the latter by US$700 initially.
Those who don't need the higher shooting speed go for the 5D due to its full-frame coverage and lighter overall package. Those who need the speed, weather-sealing, rugged construction and ability to withstand harsher shooting conditions will choose the EOS-1D MK II N.
Should the EOS-1D MK II N has the same 12.8MP full-frame coverage as the EOS 5D at the same US$3,999.95 price point, no one will be looking at the latter anymore as the choice of which to buy is obvious. ...Show more →
I think this leaves out what matters to my gang, the bird photographers. No doubt we are insignificant to Canon's product decisions, because there are too few of us -- though Art Morris may have some minor influence with Canon.
But we piggyback partly on a larger and genuinely influential group -- sports photojournalists. Canon's best advertising is the forest of white lenses at major sports events.
Both groups care a lot about an unmentioned factor, autofocus speed/accuracy. Birders care about pixel density and sports PJs about FPS. So the 5D is not at all an option for either group. And a full-frame replacement for the 1dm2n at 12.8MP wouldn't cut the mustard in terms of pixel density either.
Many bird photogs hike long distances and would like a lightweight APS-C camera with 1-series AF. I don't think we'll get that, but next best would be a 1Dm3 with APS-H at 12MP -- and I bet the sports folks want that too, and that's what will be forthcoming.
To get fast through-put and high pixel density with a full-frame sensor is very costly, and unnecessarily so from the point of view of bird and (more important) sports photographers.
I'm curious what bird photographers did in the days when all cameras were "full frame?" Aren't we closing in on the law of diminishing returns, as far as how many pixels can be squeezed onto an APS-C sensor before they become so small that their light-gathering ability is compromised?
What camera can Canon produce that significantly improves on the currently-existing 1.6 crop cameras? And I'm seriously not trying to be difficult, but can't the birders continue to avail themselves of the current APS-C bodies, since they already prefer them to the FF stock?
Joel Slack wrote:
I'm curious what bird photographers did in the days when all cameras were "full frame?" Aren't we closing in on the law of diminishing returns, as far as how many pixels can be squeezed onto an APS-C sensor before they become so small that their light-gathering ability is compromised?
What camera can Canon produce that significantly improves on the currently-existing 1.6 crop cameras? And I'm seriously not trying to be difficult, but can't the birders continue to avail themselves of the current APS-C bodies, since they already prefer them to the FF stock?
Although not a serious birder or sports shooter I think I can still answer your second question and the answer is no. The problem with current APS-C bodies is not a lack of MPs or the sensor, it is the lack of a fully capable AF system and the lack of weather sealing. In my mind, those are the major failings of the current crop of 1.6x cameras. To eliminate those failings requires that one move to the 1DMkII which involves a sizable increase in weight as well as cost. Also w/ the 1DMkII you get into the issue of pixel density, which at this point, can, should and will be improved.
Without any intent of being hostile, your first question, that being "I'm curious what bird photographers did in the days when all cameras were "full frame?" is irrelevant. To illustrate, an equally valid question is "what did bird photographers use before FF?" 35mm certainly wasn't the starting point of photography and photography wasn't the starting point of bird (or other) imaging. The irrelevance of questions like this is not limited to cameras. Ask a roofer what he used before compressed air hammers and he will tell. Now tell him he has to go back to his old tool and see what happens. You (or your body) will probably make the evening news.
The concern about "pixel density" is derivative. The attrction of APS-c DSLR's to "birders" is that they can use a smaller lens to attain the same reach. Period, end of story. There is no image quality advantage or any other advantage. It is about size/weight and/or cost. That's it -- and ultimately some measure of image quality is sacrificed for it. Like most things it is a trade-off, pure and simple.
Perhaps they should move even smaller to a 4/3'rd sensor, or perhaps a sensor the size used in P&S -- they have really high "pixel density".
cwphoto wrote:
I'm still waiting for the fast 200 IS you promised would be in our 2006 Christmas stockings from Photokina...
I never promised that.. I never said that. Go find the quote!
Some people say things that they claim I said..
In regards to the 5D,... before it was released, I said that it would have an obvious feature.. (the rear much larger LCD)...but then people began twisting around what I said to suggest that I claimed there was a new "super spectacular feature",...and that by "my" words,..the rear 2.5" LCD couldn't have been what I was "referring to".. Until I pointed out what I had origionally written,..which by that time had been completely forgotten about in the minds of the speculators and rumor mongers..
It was like,...."Oh wow".. look at how distorted my message had gotten thanks to the misinformation being spread by those who just like to spread misinformation... much like the fellow named "Gotya" who made obvious false claims in regards to what the 5D was going to be like.. He claimed 1.3 crop, 6FPS..etc..etc.. never a mention of the 2.5" rear LCD.. so, I knew that he was full of poop, yet her even went as far as suggesting that "only time will tell"... well,..what happened to him..? He has no credibility whatsoever..
I said that it would be a "nice" camera.. and never suggested that it would be better than the 1DsMKII... and I said that I probably keep my 20D bodies at the time,...(for me, I shoot things where I need a faster camera with a fast 250ths top sync speed..)... I eventually traded up my 20D bodies for a pair of 1DMK2 bodies.. and that the new camera,..would be not as good as the 1DsMKII.. but those who had the original 1Ds, might just want to sell it while it was still worth something..
I couldn't give away the whole specs,..but I did give enough info so that the average non moron reader to be able to connect the dots.. Some were able to,... some were not..
Well,....there you have it... the info I suggested above,... I have no idea if it is true or not... I am out of the loop for much of the new camera info these days,...and that the guy reporting that to me has so far been less than on the mark..dating back to August..
Then again,...who knows... The wait & see will be entertaining for many of us..
There are things that I have been aware of,..like a new AF stystem.... and new flash system.. as well as a new "S" camera.. which has caused the need to create a better technology in order to use it to it's full potential,.../which I was told that, that was the reason why it wasn't released by now.. R&D isn't an easy process,...and the things being tested are not always being delivered.. much like the 1D with it's 6 MP CMOS that I was aware of,... or those other DO lenses.. (expensive junk IMO)..
Sorry about the spelling..I'm in a rush tro get moving..
Wrong. When what you have is a 600mm lens, using TCs, and even then on a 1.6X camera, the bird only takes up a small portion of the frame, pixel density is a concern. On a FF camera the bird would be a dot on the image.
dcmiller wrote:
It's in the 1DsIII thread.
Se non è vero, è ben trovato
Hmm... I heard about a Canon 55MP medium format back being in development .. a multi layer sensor.. that was about three years ago though.. so,...who knows..
