Only a few of us with the financial means can keep switching, so I want Nikon to improve and fill gaps in their gear line-up. I like my gear and don't intend to switch, despite helping my friend chose a Canon setup because it better met his needs.
My decision for Canon system was quite emotionless - I wanted a digital camera that would basically be EOS 30 or better, with a full frame sensor, with 13MP (my scanner resolution on film) and under $3500, so that I could actually buy it. When Canon didn't offer anything useful, I bought Olympus E1 with a good lens as a stop-gap measure, to have something to shoot with until technology evolves. When Canon launched 5d, that was it for me. It fit my parameters perfectly, Canon makes good lenses so that wasn't a problem, end of story.
I understand that switching systems was sometimes necessary during the years of digital puberty, when digital bodies just weren't mature enough to do the job. Those days are gone, at least for Canon and Nikon systems. 10MP seems to be the magical limit that says "good enough". I don't really want a camera with more resolution than 5d. My hard drives can't handle it, I'm in a backup quagmire as it is. As far as I'm concerned, picture quality is excellent, the camera is fast and responsive, it does what I want it to do, and I'm no longer in the market for upgrades, at least until my 5d dies on me after years of use. Lenses, tripod heads, that's another matter. I'd want a 100mm macro lens with IS; Canon, are you listening?
I agree with you dcmiller. These guys should just get everyone's phone number and have a conference call everynight..hahaha
If those 40mp rumors are true, I gotta wonder how much that system will set me back. Let' see...going to need a super quad-duo core computer to handle the image files, about 20gb super fast ram and USB 10.0!
That would be quite the achievement in new system development.
Are you guys so unhappy with your cameras that you manage to fill up 41 pages with speculation? If Canon isn't doing it for you, then switch to something else...
Edited by John Wright on Jan 19, 2007 at 06:00 PM GMT
Nowhere Man wrote:
I agree with you dcmiller. These guys should just get everyone's phone number and have a conference call everynight..hahaha
If those 40mp rumors are true, I gotta wonder how much that system will set me back. Let' see...going to need a super quad-duo core computer to handle the image files, about 20gb super fast ram and USB 10.0!
That would be quite the achievement in new system development.
NM
Just about everyone with a P45 (39mp) is doing it on a mac with 8gb. Really not much more in computer cost than processing files from the 1DsII in 2004. People are not using MF digital to do youth sports event photography either.
But the system described would be very expensive. It also seems counterintuitive that the trend of smaller formats and miniaturization would be reversed.
John Wright wrote:
Are you guys so unhappy with your cameras that you manage to fill up 41 pages with speculation? If Canon isn't doing it for you, then switch to something else...
Have no concern.
If you had actually read the thread, you would have only seen three on-topic posts. Most is about psychic phenomena, dataless market research, and lunch suggestions.
John Wright wrote:
Are you guys so unhappy with your cameras that you manage to fill up 41 pages with speculation? If Canon isn't doing it for you, then switch to something else...
You don't understand: we're all out there pushin' the limits on our 100K+ shutter lifecycles. Hanging here at other times is what keeps us away from pool halls, brothels, all-night bars and phone card salesmen.
Edited by Greg Pavlov on Jan 19, 2007 at 05:50 PM GMT
John Wright wrote:
Are you guys so unhappy with your cameras that you manage to fill up 41 pages with speculation? If Canon isn't doing it for you, then switch to something else...
Just waiting and hoping a worth while upgrade is in the pipe....nothing wrong with this! I find it fun to read
I think Canon needs a replacement to the 30D very badly. I am a die-hard Canon-fan, and I, for once, think that Nikon is in the driver's seat right now, with the D80 and D200. Canon badly need a replacement for the 30D, not just with a 10Mp, but based on a new platform.
Personally, in order to take command again and not rest on it's laurels, I am simply guessing a major overhaul of the 30D. Even though it and the 20D are quite capable, the envelope must be pushed again, and Canon should be primed to do it. I don't think they'll move away from EF-S and the cropped sensor yet (not with the 5D still a top seller and without any competition). My guess is that the camera will have:
1. More Megapixels, yada yada, say above 10 MP, below 12.8 MP
2. Digic III, yawn
3. Increased fps (maybe in 8 fps range)
4. Reduced noise at high ISO (a la the 5D)
5. Maybe weather sealing
6. Auto-Sensor cleaning for sure
7. Better ergonomics a brighter viewfinder
8. Real time image preview on the LCD?
How's that for a reasonable upgrade request list? I am sure that I am rehashing what many have said, but I don't really want to read through 40+ pages of posts....
Such a camera would be a worthy backup to my 5D. Oh, yeah, and I think they'll ramp up that 5D with weather sealing, sensor cleaning, Digic III, and an increased resolution LCD.
Kenneth Ekman wrote:
I think Canon needs a replacement to the 30D very badly. I am a die-hard Canon-fan, and I, for once, think that Nikon is in the driver's seat right now, with the D80 and D200. Canon badly need a replacement for the 30D, not just with a 10Mp, but based on a new platform.
I want Nikon to be back in the backseat!
Iam a Canon fan too. I dont think Canon is in the back seat to Nikon yet. Nikon has no full frame camera and they have no answer to the 1DsmkII.
ashwinrao1 wrote:
1. More Megapixels, yada yada, say above 10 MP, below 12.8 MP
2. Digic III, yawn
3. Increased fps (maybe in 8 fps range)
4. Reduced noise at high ISO (a la the 5D)
5. Maybe weather sealing
6. Auto-Sensor cleaning for sure
7. Better ergonomics a brighter viewfinder
8. Real time image preview on the LCD?
Such a camera would be a worthy backup to my 5D. Oh, yeah, and I think they'll ramp up that 5D with weather sealing, sensor cleaning, Digic III, and an increased resolution LCD.
In other words... the 40D will be a 5D with crop + a faster framerate? For $1k less? That doesn't make much sense.
And I don't think we're going to see "LCD previews" (that's what the viewfinder is for...) within the next, oh... a long time.
I see the APS-H as an endangered species. The APS-C is very popular for several good reasons that will keep it around for quite awhile. Canon appears to be very serous about its commitment to FF and may introduce a lower priced 5D. They already are the FF leader and making their own sensors gives them economic advantages to push the market that way.
Full frame cameras shooting at the same or better resolution and fps as the 1D MKIIn can't be very far away. It looks to me this is the way Canon is moving.
mbailey wrote:
Iam a Canon fan too. I dont think Canon is in the back seat to Nikon yet. Nikon has no full frame camera and they have no answer to the 1DsmkII.
Actually all Nikon's camera's are full frame - they are just not 35mm. Then again, none of Canon's cameras are 48mm like Hasselblad, so does that mean that Canon really isn't "full frame" either?
I love Canon's offerings, but really at about $8000, I doubt most Nikon users are too concerned about an answer to the 1DsMKII. What percentage of the Canon users are actually shooting one? I don't see either company as being in the back seat to the other, they are in different cars and offer different options. It's what we call choice, and the choices are both good.
Note: If my budget allowed it, I'd also have a Canon setup based on the 5D. It doesn't, so I'll stick with what I've got.
I wouldn't mind a full frame with better resolution than the 1DmII, and at the same 8fps speed. BUT It would also have to be at the same price as the current 1DmIIn . It would be nice to reclaim the wide angle end.
Rusty1 wrote:
I see the APS-H as an endangered species. The APS-C is very popular for several good reasons that will keep it around for quite awhile. Canon appears to be very serous about its commitment to FF and may introduce a lower priced 5D. They already are the FF leader and making their own sensors gives them economic advantages to push the market that way.
Full frame cameras shooting at the same or better resolution and fps as the 1D MKIIn can't be very far away. It looks to me this is the way Canon is moving.
