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Archive 2007 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread

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p.121 #1 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread

Juan55 wrote:
No, I guess one processor is dedicated to the AF system (and may be to some other tasks) and the other processor dedicated to sensor data, exposition tasks o what ever. Attend 45 AF points is time consuming ... My 350D in AI servo is not able to track a moving target correctly because has too many tasks to do; and only have 7 AF points !!! (Well roughly)
The 1DII had two processors too. Looks like they have bumped the power minimally , by around half, instead of following the curve of cost/power.
Regards,

Feb 18, 2007 at 02:28 PM

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p.121 #2 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread

Was the D200 a good decision for Nikon over the long-term? Is being forced by the market to sell a $1200 camera that competes with your pro models a good thing in the long run? Canon doesn't care enough about what happens over a quarter or two to change long term plans.
Nikon's need to produce the D200 is not a positive event for Nikon's DLSR business, or DSLR end users in general.
What nikon needed to produce was a 'hot' $4000 camera and charge a premium for lesser cameras because of their reputation in the market. This 'equity' thing in the middle market is not how it works. You used to pay more for a middle Nikon because it was a Nikon. If Nikon wants to go Walmart, Canon simply does not have to follow.
Talk/read the pros who are still shooting Nikon. These are people who are much more interested in their business than brand loyality. It's become very difficult to make a business case for shooting Nikon. That's bad for everyone.

Feb 18, 2007 at 02:29 PM

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p.121 #3 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread

On a side note, do others here have the same problem that the most recent post that triggers a new page, doesn't show up as next page?

The post above is the latest, before me posting this, but the "last" page still points to page 300 instead of 301. (Well, 301 in the URL, page 302.)

Feb 18, 2007 at 04:26 PM

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p.121 #4 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread

Something new from Sony.
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0702/07021801sonyhighspeedcmos.asp

Feb 18, 2007 at 04:31 PM

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p.121 #5 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread

Tentacle wrote:
On a side note, do others here have the same problem that the most recent post that triggers a new page, doesn't show up as next page?

The post above is the latest, before me posting this, but the "last" page still points to page 300 instead of 301. (Well, 301 in the URL, page 302.)

Same problem here...

In the thread overview the correct name is showed, but then, as you said, the post is not shown.

Edited by Philippe Arnez on Feb 18, 2007 at 10:46 PM GMT

Feb 18, 2007 at 04:45 PM

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p.121 #6 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread

Tentacle wrote:
On a side note, do others here have the same problem that the most recent post that triggers a new page, doesn't show up as next page?

Yeah, this is a known problem on longer threads here. On some of the really long-running threads you may see someone write "Turn page" as the 2nd post on many of the pages.

Feb 18, 2007 at 04:45 PM

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p.121 #7 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread

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Doesn't matter whether anyone thinks the D200 is better than the 30D in every way. Canon made record profits for Year 2006, most of it came from DSLRs, consumer digicams and inkjet printers. Been requested to slow down didn't make a dent to its profit margin, and Canon sees it as that its product line-ups are still very much sought after despite the negative predictions on the 30D in here and elsewhere.

And as Monito had pointed out, Canon couldn't care much about all the howls in any forum regarding its product offerings to the global market. They understand what photography...Show more →

Hmm...Has anyone noticed you never see lordcarl and Chuck Westfall in a room at the same time? ;-)

Feb 18, 2007 at 04:51 PM

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p.121 #8 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread

Nikon going Walmart? making a quality product at a affordable price bing 'bad' for the market? Surely you can not be serious.

dcmiller wrote:
Was the D200 a good decision for Nikon over the long-term? Is being forced by the market to sell a $1200 camera that competes with your pro models a good thing in the long run? Canon doesn't care enough about what happens over a quarter or two to change long term plans.
Nikon's need to produce the D200 is not a positive event for Nikon's DLSR business, or DSLR end users in general.
What nikon needed to produce was a 'hot' $4000 camera and charge a premium for lesser cameras because of their reputation in the market. This 'equity' thing in...Show more →

Feb 18, 2007 at 04:52 PM

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p.121 #9 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread

Rusty1 wrote:
Hmm...Has anyone noticed you never see lordcarl and Chuck Westfall in a room at the same time?

But lordcarl wears glasses and trips over his feet all the time, whereas Chuck doesn't wear glasses and he can leap tall buildings with a single bound. Clearly they're different people.

Feb 18, 2007 at 04:53 PM

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p.121 #10 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread

DynoMoHum wrote:
Nikon going Walmart? making a quality product at a affordable price bing 'bad' for the market? Surely you can not be serious.

He is serious. And don't call him Surely.

Feb 18, 2007 at 05:33 PM

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p.121 #11 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread

Question - If they do come out with the likes of the 40d do you guys think it will be the same retail as when the 30d came out? And does anyone happen to know what that was?
And what do you think about the possible new 5d as well?

Feb 18, 2007 at 06:03 PM

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p.121 #12 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread

The last 20 or so pages have settled down into a focus on the merits or otherwise of a rumoured 10mp, 10FPS 1D Mark III with a 1.3 crop... being the only sinificant thing Canon announces for PMA... Lots of "woe is me" and teeth gnashing

This is based on just a very few posters (like Lordcarl) saying there will only be 1 Canon DSLR announced... These same posters have been saying this (more or less) for much of this thread..

However I know Canon has a 40D in the wings and just needs to decide when to announce it.... I can't understand why this wouldn't be soon.

A credible Canon inside source I know was about a month ago suggesting there would be 2 new DSLR bodies for PMA and 1 a few months later....

So I am still for some EOSfun
40D=10Mp, anti dust, new display, 5fps, 9+2 AF points pricing: 100-1600+H, EF-S,x 1.6, SD, new viewfinder, DIGICIII, option: Wifi grip

1DsmkIII= 22mp, 2,5"lcd, PS, 45AF, DIGICIII, 100-3200+H+L, 1.0, 4fps, high speed crop mode 8,5fps

Lenses 12-24EF, 17-135EF-S IS, 800/5.6 IS DO
Pixma ip6xxx: wireless pictbridge,
Selphy ipES miniprinter wireless pictbridge,
Powershot A740 IS wireless 10Mp DIGICIII, 6x zoom, WiFi.
IXUSi10 zoom 10Mp lifestyle,
IXUS 70 edition,
DC50 DVD camcorder

Add the 1DmkIII to this mix, take your pick re the timings of the 2 bodies at PMA and 1 a little later and I would certainly see this as EOSfun.

Feb 18, 2007 at 06:13 PM

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p.121 #13 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread

Another unknown factor, especially with the 1 series, is per pixel quality. The 5D was the economy model and produced 18 months ago, yet showed some per pixel goodness that I felt was a bit lacking in the 1DsII.
Whatever the mp specs, the new 1 series will have everything Canon knows about quality sensor technology. I believe that an equal mp crop from both old and new cameras will show significant improvement in basic quality, even at low ISO.
There's plenty of reason to be optimistic.

Feb 18, 2007 at 06:30 PM

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p.121 #14 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread

In case anyone wanted it here's a consolidated timeline of the past few years of the previous model cameras that are looked at to have a possible upgrade at PMA (03/07).

08/06 400d
02/06 30d

08/05 5d, 1d Mark II N
02/05 350d

08-09/04 20d, 1ds Mark II N
01/04 1d Mark II

So from looking at this I'm seeing a few things. the 1Ds Mark II has gone the longest without an upgrade of any kind (2.5 yrs). The 30d has only been out 1 year, and it's predecessor was out 1.5 years before the 30 was released. The 5d as well as the 1d Mark II N was released 1.5 years ago.

From this pattern I'm going to say that the 1Ds Mark II is definitely going to get an upgrade at PMA. Sadly, I don't think the 30d will get another go until Fall. As for the 5d or the 1d Mark II N, I'm not positive but I'm going to say the 5d will get an upgrade.

The one thing that bothers me is that they are giving the double rebate on the 30d. Argh this is killing me!

But who knows?

Edited by TK Geoff on Feb 18, 2007 at 04:01 PM GMT

Feb 18, 2007 at 06:44 PM

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mudmutt wrote:
What would "Dual Digic III" mean? Would that somehow infer speed to transfer the image to disc? Or possibly (hopefully) higher ISO with low noise?

7 years ago, Zeiss designed and built a 104MP digital mapping camera for aerial digital photogrametry. It was made with 4 seperate sensors and 4 seperate processors but in one camera housing using a single lens. It acheived one frame every 2 seconds.

The same concept could be used in a dSLR where seperate portions of a CMOS sensor output can be sent to their respective DiGIC iii processors for an increase in frame rate.

The major hurdle with this is that you can't simply send certain channels to each processor since a processor requires all surrounding photosites of a pixel to get colour data from a bayer sensor. The only logical way to take advantage of a dual processor would be to have 2 completely seperate (from an circuitry standpoint) CMOS sensor that are joined physically and seamlessly.

Feb 18, 2007 at 06:49 PM

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beewee wrote:
7 years ago, Zeiss designed and built a 104MP digital mapping camera for aerial digital photogrametry. It was made with 4 seperate sensors and 4 seperate processors but in one camera housing using a single lens. It acheived one frame every 2 seconds.

The same concept could be used in a dSLR where seperate portions of a CMOS sensor output can be sent to their respective DiGIC iii processors for an increase in frame rate.

The major hurdle with this is that you can't simply send certain channels to each processor since a processor requires all surrounding photosites of a pixel to...Show more →

How can you have multiple sensors without having multiple lenses? Or am I misunderstanding your post?

Feb 18, 2007 at 06:57 PM

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Geoff Costello wrote:
Well if the 1.3 crop returns then the 12-24EF makes a lot of sense sense and matches up nicely with the 24-70/105 zooms.

Feb 18, 2007 at 07:04 PM

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dcmiller wrote:
Was the D200 a good decision for Nikon over the long-term? Is being forced by the market to sell a $1200 camera that competes with your pro models a good thing in the long run? Canon doesn't care enough about what happens over a quarter or two to change long term plans.
Nikon's need to produce the D200 is not a positive event for Nikon's DLSR business, or DSLR end users in general.
What nikon needed to produce was a 'hot' $4000 camera and charge a premium for lesser cameras because of their reputation in the market. This 'equity' thing in...Show more →

Actually Nikon is a sad case these days, back in the 1970's people fell over each other to pay a big premium for the letters NIKON on the front of a camera, just like they paid a big premium for IBM on the front of a computer. Neither NIKON or IBM are a big deal anymore.

Now there are a couple of facts, Canon doesn't really need to worry about a mid-range camera, or really a high-end camera either. It's the bottom end, once you have invested in 3 or 4 lenses, your not going to toss that investment away, when you upgrade. Canon has some decent equipment at the low end, with the 350D and 400D. Folks upgrading are happy with the 30D, although I do expect a 40D, essentially a 30D with the processor from the 400D, it will get the dust mechanism as well, simply because it really doesn't cost them anything to do it, and they save the cost of making both an 8MP and 10MP sensor.

Folks at the high end might like something new, but there isn't anything from Nikon or anyone else for that matter that competes with the 5D, 1D or 1Ds. Really though nobody is going to abandon Canon if they don't replace the 1DsMkII, with a new model, and it really doesn't compete with anything, so they can leave it alone this time.

New models at the high end, are expensive to develop, and don't generate a lot of sales, which makes them more expensive to produce as well. So you need a lot longer time period to make money on the new model, which is why you see new models at the bottom end, quite often, and some high end models seem to be around forever.

Feb 18, 2007 at 07:05 PM

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p.121 #19 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread

mudmutt wrote:
What would "Dual Digic III" mean? Would that somehow infer speed to transfer the image to disc? Or possibly (hopefully) higher ISO with low noise?

Interestingly the EOS 1D already uses dual 32bit RISC CPUs - one for controling the Autofocus motor and one for detecting focus....

Also interesting is that Canon have had a DIGIC II DV chip for some time to process their digiral video... Imagine DIGIC III and DIGIC DV in the same camera (make those photojournos happy)

Feb 18, 2007 at 07:06 PM

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p.121 #20 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread

Paul Schmidt wrote:
Really though nobody is going to abandon Canon if they don't replace the 1DsMkII, with a new model, and it really doesn't compete with anything, so they can leave it alone this time.

Oh yeah, watch me.

Feb 18, 2007 at 07:28 PM

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