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p.3 #1 · new Zeiss T/S lens

You are right, Babes over Bottles, but I want them all in focus.

Sep 13, 2006 at 04:27 PM

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p.3 #2 · new Zeiss T/S lens

Can't you guys take a joke?

I'm guessing that if threads started up regarding the Canon 24TSE, it would get moved to the Canon Forum.

Sep 13, 2006 at 04:30 PM

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p.3 #3 · new Zeiss T/S lens

jjlphoto wrote:
Can't you guys take a joke?

O.K., but just one please...

Sep 13, 2006 at 04:50 PM

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p.3 #4 · new Zeiss T/S lens

Ok- I´m amazed that some have never seen a sharp picture from a Zeiss Lens before, so here we go : there is sample 15 on the www.hartblei.de/english.htm with a cutout of full size 1:1. remember this is f 1:2,8 open aperture and no tripod was used with 400 Asa and a bouncer flash, background is already pretty dark twilight on Maidan/Kreshatik. This is not sharpened, only opened with Aperture and exported as cropped 1:1 Version.I guess there is not much to say about that.

Same applies to the other cutouts. Also to be mentioned is they are shot INTO the incoming sunlight, all open aperture and how good the saturation and shadow details are NO whatsoever manipulation done. If you can do this with a lensbaby - congratulations, than you are probably a genius. Me after 30 years of Largeformat Photography am quite Happy I can manage to do this with the Zeiss stuff.......

BTW the German aluminium has got a much higher density and resistance against scratches, but also costa about 3 times as much as normal stuff. The lenses are centered and measured with a Zeiss K6 computerized Measurement setup worth over 100k € so it´s made shure every lens is fit and mounted correctly.
This applies to the same standards as Zeiss uses.

Lensbaby.............Pah...........Good joke really.

Stefan

Sep 13, 2006 at 05:11 PM

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p.3 #5 · new Zeiss T/S lens

Stefan Steib wrote:
Ok- I´m amazed that some have never seen a sharp picture from a Zeiss Lens before

Stefan- you're preaching to the choir here. I currently own Contax Distagons 21/2.8, 28/2.0, and a PC35/2.8. I have also owned many many other Zeiss Contax lenses, including the 85/1.2.

Sep 13, 2006 at 05:18 PM

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p.3 #6 · new Zeiss T/S lens

Yup I know, of course people have seen this, but I really wonder why some refuse to see the obvious: you can cut with sharpnes through a picture with FULL control exactly where you want to have it. You can build up a fully new view or perspektive. Some people pay 10 grands for getting the same stuff with 2.0/ 300mm´s or similar. They only can use this in parallel to their film/chip plane. Now you can isolate exactly the point that you want to show. I have shot so many sharp pictures during my lif I´m really bored of that. I had so much fun doing these test shots, I took about 500 on this day with about 30 different locations, it´s amazing how fast you can be with this setup. Whereas with Mediumformat film you would have the need of at least some porty flash stuff this is really a handout and shoot solution. Shure the same lenses go perfectly as workhorses in the studio, but is life really all about doing another 50 sharp shots of washing powder packages or a screwdriver catalog ? Come on if a photographer stops experimenting he´s probably already dead even though still walking.

Stefan

Sep 13, 2006 at 05:44 PM

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p.3 #7 · new Zeiss T/S lens

I like the possibilities these lenses offer. Not sure if I'll like the price.

Sep 13, 2006 at 06:03 PM

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p.3 #8 · new Zeiss T/S lens

Stefan, Forgive my rather dry sense of humor. I'm really trying not to slip down Guy's "slippery slope" of exotic glass. But if the 120 comes in at a reasonable (to me) price I'll buy one. John

Sep 13, 2006 at 06:24 PM

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p.3 #9 · new Zeiss T/S lens

Uh, say Paul could you do a little latin translation for me, google doesn't and I'm afraid to ask any little old latin teachers because of what I think it is. The signature line is whats in question.

Sep 13, 2006 at 06:30 PM

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p.3 #10 · new Zeiss T/S lens

Stefan, we're having fun. I doubt if any one here is concerned about the quality of Zeiss. I was hoping the price would be more 35mm than medium format, but I understand why it is priced high. Most Canon users will have difficulty justifying this lens, due to less expensive alternative. But it's a big world and I'm sure these lenses will do well.

Sep 13, 2006 at 06:42 PM

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p.3 #11 · new Zeiss T/S lens

jjlphoto wrote:
dcmiller wrote:
I was refering to the Canon 24TSE. But I realize this lens is not ideal for interiors.

dcmiller-

This is the "Alternative Forum"! You should know better than to mention that lens!

Since Canon is often translated as 'Gun', I suggest, in this forum, we stop using the 'C' word and instead refer to 'Gun'.

Sep 13, 2006 at 06:46 PM

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john_edwards wrote:
Uh, say Paul could you do a little latin translation for me, google doesn't and I'm afraid to ask any little old latin teachers because of what I think it is. The signature line is whats in question.

As far as I can tell, it says "Sh*t or get off the pot".

Sep 13, 2006 at 07:03 PM

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john_edwards wrote:
I guess I don't get it. Most of the photos posted on the web site don't appear to do any more than what you could get with a lensbaby. I can see a need for the selected focus area in the last product shot if the advertising people were going to droop text both the the left and right sides. And the shot with the girl and flowers was nice but what is the point of having two people, standing next to each other, one sharply in focus the other so far out that you want to close one eye and only look at the girl on the left. Unless the whole point of the series was to show how narrow you can select a plane of focus and in any direction, which is easily done in Photoshop. But then I got up at 0420 this morning so I could be still asleep.
John

Judging from your equipment list, you already know what a TS-E lens does. I guess he was just trying to show how to isolate sharpness, as well as how pleasing the boke is.

Sep 13, 2006 at 07:04 PM

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p.3 #14 · new Zeiss T/S lens

well, these lenses are certainly not to be produced in masses, the price will be for the one who know what its worth to have such a tool and which are earning money from the "little bit of snap" they can sell just that "little bit" better.
I know there are plenty good photographers out there looking for that same end of the sausage to bite in...... but I firmly believe there are still things that make the difference. It takes some time to choose _your _ tools. It also needs some time to get a style that makes you feel comfortable but one things for shure without a good equipment it´s a lot harder.
I would be happy if in 15-20 years when the last 35mm bodies will sent to the museums, because we have (I don´t knowwhat..maybe) pinsize large communicators with 500Mpixel sending this to the internet directly, somebody packs out his Superrotator that he has bought "way back then..."and still makes a picture that astonishes people because it shows something new or personal.
I also would like to point to the fact that just taking these monsters into my hands makes a good feeling somehow, haptics that prove this to be serious, full metall and heavy, a nice lens coating, real heavy mechanics. same category of people wearing mechanical chronometers, using M-leicas and preferre Mobiles of size that a male grownup can push the buttons without a pin.

I think you get the point.

Stefan

Sep 13, 2006 at 07:21 PM

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p.3 #15 · new Zeiss T/S lens

I agree, I really like the bokeh on this lens... it's a little different than Canon's usual smooth/soft bokeh, looks very cool.

Sep 13, 2006 at 07:35 PM

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carstenw wrote:
john_edwards wrote:
Uh, say Paul could you do a little latin translation for me, google doesn't and I'm afraid to ask any little old latin teachers because of what I think it is. The signature line is whats in question.

As far as I can tell, it says "Sh*t or get off the pot".

Quite precisely, although it is my Latin translation of the English that is quite likely not as good as it could be.

I added this to my sig when I was attempting to sell my CZ21 (which I am not any more) and all I was getting were tire kickers. I decided to leave it there. One of my mother's favourite sayings

Sep 13, 2006 at 08:22 PM

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john_edwards wrote:
I guess I don't get it. Most of the photos posted on the web site don't appear to do any more than what you could get with a lensbaby. I can see a need for the selected focus area in the last product shot if the advertising people were going to droop text both the the left and right sides. And the shot with the girl and flowers was nice but what is the point of having two people, standing next to each other, one sharply in focus the other so far out that you want to close one eye and only look at the girl on the left. Unless the whole point of the series was to show how narrow you can select a plane of focus and in any direction, which is easily done in Photoshop. But then I got up at 0420 this morning so I could be still asleep.
John

Do you know what title means for landscape photography? Have a think how to tilt could help getting a nice sharp foreground, middle distance and infinity without diffraction loss.. That's the one of the main reasons why most landscape photographers are still using large format cameras.. It would be nice to have a ~20-30mm version but these lenses are *very* useful (and thats ignoring their utility in architecture and product photography). The examples are extreme usage in some cases but they demonstrate edge cases very well.

Sep 13, 2006 at 08:45 PM

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p.3 #18 · new Zeiss T/S lens

Yep- Shot #13 really says it all.

Sep 13, 2006 at 09:47 PM

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p.3 #19 · new Zeiss T/S lens

We are going to sell a limited amount of several samples of each focal lengths and mounts after Photokina. So yes we could do that.

Stefan

Sep 13, 2006 at 10:44 PM

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p.3 #20 · new Zeiss T/S lens

stephan - any plans for something a little wider?

Sep 14, 2006 at 03:01 AM

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p.3 #21 · new Zeiss T/S lens

Well, shure we want to do this. Point is it´s difficult. Hartblei has already done a prototype of 28mm with russian glass, the quality is pretty good, but it´s no Zeiss. Even if we would consider to use Rodenstock or Schneider digitars the backlensplane and the filmplane are too close, as well as the back lens(es) is (are) too large.At the moment the Canon 24mm is shurely the only alternative for wideangle shifting and tilting. But we are definitely looking into this because we want to complete the lens range of our products. But right now we will be happy to get the lenses to the market and establish them with serious pros, the wideangle (28 or 24) is a project in medium time range that we want to do.

Stefan
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Sep 14, 2006 at 08:06 AM

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p.3 #22 · new Zeiss T/S lens

Stefan,
You mention the 28mm prototype with russian glass.
Are you guys ever considering bringing out a 28mm lens for medium format cameras without the shifts,tilts, etc?
I think their could be a big demand for it..i.e. everyone that owns a contax or mamiya 645.
Marc

Sep 14, 2006 at 01:37 PM

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p.3 #23 · new Zeiss T/S lens

>> Unfortunatley the 40mm with only 12mm of shift is not going to get many <<
>> architectural photographers interested <<

how much shift are you looking for ?

Sep 14, 2006 at 02:48 PM

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p.3 #24 · new Zeiss T/S lens

28mm with 15mm of shift would be very similar to my old 5x4 camera with a 90mm lens - ideal!

Sep 14, 2006 at 04:50 PM

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john_edwards wrote:
Stefan, Forgive my rather dry sense of humor. I'm really trying not to slip down Guy's "slippery slope" of exotic glass. But if the 120 comes in at a reasonable (to me) price I'll buy one. John

John,

If you're in the alt forum and responding to threads, then you have already past the point of no return.

You are accelerating at 32 ft/sec^2. To avoid friction burn, remember to steer INTO the direction of the slippery slope - go buy a Leica 90mm Elmarit !!

Sep 16, 2006 at 02:42 AM


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