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p.45 #1 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

No, there isn't really an excuse for not providing 1 button MLU - but I do have a funny anecdote that may shed some light on the print button. A friend of mine just got back from a trip to china, and she borrowed a Sony P&S for the trip. When she got back last week, her 2 memory sticks were full with 800 pictures. She is a complete novice, and regardless of how easy it would have been to select the keeprs and toss the rest - she handed her 2 cards to the tech at Walmart and said "print-em". That's right, with no editing or selection whatsoever she printed the entire batch, at a cost of $160.

Let's think about that for a moment. The vast majority of people really just want their snapshots, and their philosophy carries over from how they used film - shoot all the film you have, and get all of them developed. They don't want to bother editing or anything else, they just want their prints to show everyone. Now in this case she had so many she went to walmart, but imagine if it was only 50 snapshots from a kid's party. She would have taken her canon camera over to her canon printer and hit print. It's a win-win-win for canon: the camera, the printer, AND the printing supplies!

So why put it on a DSLR? Because canon is marketing DSLR's to the masses as better P&S's. I know that's why I originally got my d-reb; I was completely frustrated with the slow response time and poor low light performance of my kodak P&S. True I was interested in 35mm film photography in my college days, and only got away from it when I no longer had access to a darkroom. But just look at my signature to see how much I've bought from them- and that doesn't include the d-reb, 18-55, and 70-300IS I bought and sold. I am certain I am not the exception to the rule, just based on how many 300D and 350D's they've sold.

Aug 31, 2006 at 06:42 PM

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p.45 #2 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

Not many people just say "print them" after the first few $160 pay-outs...though I do overall agree with your premise on Canon's reason for including that silly button.

Aug 31, 2006 at 08:11 PM

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p.45 #3 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

I don't think the button is wrong in itself, just the fact that its not multi-purpose. How cool would it be to have it user-configurable as, to use a recurring example, a MLU button?
Lets face it, for most of us its useless but still there.

Aug 31, 2006 at 11:29 PM

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p.45 #4 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

Sprout Crumble wrote:

Lets face it, for most of us its useless but still there.

Sounds like my wife talking!

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Aug 31, 2006 at 11:51 PM

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p.45 #5 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

Thats pretty good Dave.

Sep 01, 2006 at 12:42 AM

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p.45 #6 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

Frank Jr. wrote:
Thats pretty good Dave.

Or pretty bad, depending one's perspective on the situation.

Sep 01, 2006 at 12:54 AM

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p.45 #7 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

So have we officially stopped talking about Canon rumors because there are none left? I mean basically, this thread has reached the point of useless babble right?

NM

Edited by Nowhere Man on Sep 01, 2006 at 01:11 AM GMT

Sep 01, 2006 at 01:02 AM

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p.45 #8 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

I don't think most Japanese homes or Asian homes have no computers. Asia has some of the highest DSL usage, I doubt they go online with their typewriters.

http://www.clickz.com/showPage.html?page=3381201

Sep 01, 2006 at 01:28 AM

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p.45 #9 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

I'll take that as a yes.

Sep 01, 2006 at 01:41 AM

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Sep 01, 2006 at 01:43 AM

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p.45 #11 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

Nikon Posts Record 1st Half Profits and Revenue powered in large part by North American DSLR sales (and falling yen):

First-half revenue is projected to rise 8 pct to about 370 bln yen, more than the previous estimate of 360 bln yen, mainly because of sales of high-end digital SLR cameras with interchangeable lenses in the North American market.

http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/afx/2006/08/31/afx2987052.html

Sep 01, 2006 at 03:14 AM

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p.45 #12 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

Nowhere Man wrote:
So have we officially stopped talking about Canon rumors because there are none left? I mean basically, this thread has reached the point of useless babble right?

NM

Edited by Nowhere Man on Sep 01, 2006 at 01:11 AM GMT

Keith Cooper reported yesterday that there might even be an update at Photokina to the 5D, with higher pixel count and frame rate.

www.northlight-images.co.uk/Canon_1DS_MkIII.html

Would be a surprise but certainly great.

Mark

Sep 01, 2006 at 04:37 AM

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p.45 #13 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

An update to the 5D doesn't really excite me because of the ergonomics going from the 1 series to the other style bodies, hmmm, maybe Canon is putting in the 16MP sensor into a EOS 3 style body (the oft rumored 3D), one can only hope, heck, I'd love it if the same 5D sensor was put in an EOS 3 body, this is what they should have done to begin with... then I might just have to buy one of these...

Sep 01, 2006 at 05:00 AM

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p.45 #14 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

mholdef wrote:
Keith Cooper reported yesterday that there might even be an update at Photokina to the 5D, with higher pixel count and frame rate.

www.northlight-images.co.uk/Canon_1DS_MkIII.html

Would be a surprise but certainly great.

Mark
That's worth waiting for. And more interesting than why Canon puts a print button on it's DSLR's...

Sep 01, 2006 at 05:00 AM

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p.45 #15 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

mholdef wrote:
Nowhere Man wrote:
So have we officially stopped talking about Canon rumors because there are none left? I mean basically, this thread has reached the point of useless babble right?

NM

Edited by Nowhere Man on Sep 01, 2006 at 01:11 AM GMT

Keith Cooper reported yesterday that there might even be an update at Photokina to the 5D, with higher pixel count and frame rate.

www.northlight-images.co.uk/Canon_1DS_MkIII.html

Would be a surprise but certainly great.

Mark
The big change coming is the upgrade from DIGIC II to DIGIC III.
The extra processing power should be of the order of 4 times the DIGIC II.
It should affect cameras on all levels, form the point and shoots to the 1DsIII.
How this is spent is the question.
One area where there seems likely to be a shift is in the number of bits - that can lead to the ability to record finer tonal graduations, or, if they are able to alter the sensors to capture it in the first place, increased DR.
It is in fact increased DR that Canon have said that they are going for in 2007
Dunno if it is possible, but a 6D with the DR of the Fuji S3, with or without a resolution increase, and perhaps even with rather better high ISO (another development Canon have hinted at) would be a pretty awsome possiblity.
Levels of AF performance are also partially dependent on the processing power available. :-)
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Sep 01, 2006 at 11:06 AM

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p.45 #16 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

Nowhere Man wrote:
So have we officially stopped talking about Canon rumors because there are none left? I mean basically, this thread has reached the point of useless babble right?

NM

Edited by Nowhere Man on Sep 01, 2006 at 01:11 AM GMT

well canon has more in the bag for Photokina so there is plenty room for more rumors. and yes, digic III will be there 2 in cameras!. Why canon didn't do that in all of the new cameras i don't know ... i just wish they would add RAW again in the compact range ... maybe i'll write a letter 2 Chuck begging for it

Sep 01, 2006 at 12:57 PM

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p.45 #17 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

Guy Mancuso wrote:
Rumor , hold on need to find Larry Carter, SIGMA yes that 3rd party little company that makes 3rd party lenses for your Canon. Coming out with a equivelent of a 14mpx camera. Hmmm

Good source to boot
A bit more than a rumour, more like a press release...
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0608/06082901sigmasd14.asp
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Sep 01, 2006 at 12:59 PM

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p.45 #18 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

ebeaydojraes wrote:
well canon has more in the bag for Photokina so there is plenty room for more rumors. and yes, digic III will be there 2 in cameras!. Why canon didn't do that in all of the new cameras i don't know ... i just wish they would add RAW again in the compact range ... maybe i'll write a letter 2 Chuck begging for it

Typically the latest technology is first introduced in one product only. This helps in controlling the affects of its possible problems, delays and typically additional costs involved in new components. Even if it will appear in two new cameras simultaneously, it doesn't change the basic principle.

Sep 01, 2006 at 01:10 PM

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p.45 #19 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

ebeaydojraes wrote:

well canon has more in the bag for Photokina so there is plenty room for more rumors. and yes, digic III will be there 2 in cameras!. Why canon didn't do that in all of the new cameras i don't know ... i just wish they would add RAW again in the compact range ... maybe i'll write a letter 2 Chuck begging for it

I think the answer to that is likely simple and straightforward. Whenever you first bring a new chip to market, the chips are scarce. You don't start fabbing them at a huge rate right out of the chute. You fab some and test them and maybe make a mask change if something isn't quite up to spec. But the key is that there are only so many wafers processed, so until they get the line tuned for that particular chip, the chips arrive in dribs and drabs. Once the process for building the chip is well characterized and the chips are declared to be good, then volume ramps up. So what do you do with those first few runs of chips? Put them on the shelf until you can support the volumes necessary to put them in all your new product? No. You put them in the lower volume products first. Then, as volumes of chips increase, you put them in your higher volume products. What we would be seeing here, assuming the rumors are true, is exactly what one would expect given a new chip introduction.

Sep 01, 2006 at 01:28 PM

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p.45 #20 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

I'm sure its been said already above, but given that Canon introduced two new L-glass and a new DSLR body before Photokina, I would expect something big at the show.

The only reason for announcing those products now is to clear out any distractions from the big new introduction(s) later this month.

Sep 01, 2006 at 01:32 PM

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p.45 #21 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

Guy Mancuso wrote:
Rumor , hold on need to find Larry Carter, SIGMA yes that 3rd party little company that makes 3rd party lenses for your Canon. Coming out with a equivelent of a 14mpx camera. Hmmm

Good source to boot

If anyone doesn't think that MPs still play an important role in advertising / selling higher end cameras Guy's post should be a wake-up call. The mere suggestion that it is a 14mp body was enough to pique his interest and this is from a person using some of the top equipment in existence.

Realistically, MP still sell bodies, even at a professional level. It may not be the primary factor in the final purchase decision but it is a "get them in the door" item of great import. Equally, Canon doesn't want to get into a situation where they have to do defensive marketing - the 30D has fewer MP but it is a better camera because of X, Y and Z. When selling you never want to have to say "but" to a potential customer.

The point to this is that 400D totally changes the Canon line up and you can be sure that they know it. It would be nuts for them to sacrifice the 30D class user by leaving them behind the 400D with a lower quality sensor (not only more MPs but a newer design). This is a group that spends tons of money on lenses and to leave them out in the cold is as smart as Canon providing cab fare to the nearest Nikon only dealer.

My prediction remains, Canon will respond in a big way at Photokina. They have to. Even 800 pound gorillas are no match for a little guy with an accurate bullet.

Sep 01, 2006 at 01:45 PM

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p.45 #22 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

The sigma ain't a rumor. This link is directly off of their home page, so its no fake:

http://www.sigma-sd14.com/

Sep 01, 2006 at 02:16 PM

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p.45 #23 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

I am hearing that there are two bodies yet to anounce... They are not upgrading the 5D, it is a new body. That is all that was said...

Sep 01, 2006 at 02:20 PM

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p.45 #24 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

Guy Mancuso wrote:
Canon is done for Photokinia, you got what was announced. PMA you will see the 1dsMKIII, need to change the name for this.
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*evilgrin* nope canon is comming with something new yet. Doesn't have to be big and profy but there is still something comming. Canon isn't taking that much space on a show, cancelling all their sponsorships (no Canon at Champions League this year) and cutting more costs just to release 3 new compacts, one SLR cam, a line of new printers and 5 new camcorders ... *evilgrin*

Typically the latest technology is first introduced in one product only. This helps in controlling the affects of its possible problems, delays and typically additional costs involved in new components. Even if it will appear in two new cameras simultaneously, it doesn't change the basic principle.

Makes sense. very much so knowing what i know

*again evilgrin*.

ps.: the 200 1.8 was misinterpreted by my boss over the phone with the canon rep. got that cleared out on monday. he said a 200 lens (meaning the 70-200 ...) and since we were all hoping for it since the rumors earlier this year ...

Sep 01, 2006 at 02:38 PM

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p.45 #25 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

ebeaydojraes wrote:
he said a 200 lens (meaning the 70-200 ...) and since we were all hoping for it since the rumors earlier this year ...
T H A N K Y O U. This must be it....

People new camera IS IN this thread. Prepare your VISA'S

If you're not a pro It's gonna hurt your wallet.

Anyway: this time I'm in for this lens only!

Sep 01, 2006 at 02:50 PM


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