Jeff- I'm surprised that nobody is going nuts about the mention of Digic III... Paul Pope mentioned selling off some of his fast glass a few days back.. This seems most likely due to the fact that a usable 6400 ISO (or higher??) may be in the very near future (Photokina)... For me, this was the most significant, and exciting of today's announcements..
(also, if this same pixel density were to be utilized by a full-frame sensor, wouldnt the resolution exceed that of any current lens in Canon's lineup?? All the 26-27MP speculators seem to be ignoring that fact)
Jeff wrote:
I'm surprised that no one has yet extrapolated the pixel density of the 400D into the full-frame (24x36) equivalent.
After all, it is a 'new' sensor!
Good point.
OK, using previous statements (FF and 20d) and without calculating the actual "area" would it be OK to say that if 8.2/22 = .373 (pixel density of 20d at FF size), then we could also say that 10.1*.373 = 37.6MP.
This would be a legend because it would kill all other players if it has low noise. Who would pay $35k for a MF 39MP back when Canon offered nearly the same thing at a third of the price?
If this were possible and true, this would probably do what I suggested in another thread. The 5d at 12.8MP (FF) would be the new mid level camera and the 30d would be a dead end. After all, the 5d is only a 30d with a FF sensor. This might irritate some of the 1.6 crowd though as they've paid astronomical prices for the EF-S lenses and would now only be able to use them on a 400d.
Edited by jamesf99 on Aug 24, 2006 at 01:02 PM GMT
RDKirk wrote:
I'm still expecting two 1D cameras announced during Photokina:
24x36mm sensor, 16mp 8fps, DIGIC III, $4500 (I'm nearly certain about this one--just a 1Ds Mk II with DIGIC III)
24x36mm sensor, 20-22mp 4fps, DIGIC III, $8000-10000 (possible)
Both would have the current bells and whistles, like the larger LCD, Picture Styles, sensor cleaning function, and, yes, the print button.
Hmmmm. Well, I'd go with the 16MP camera at 8 FPS, but a $10k camera? That's too much and even Canon has to recognize that.
A top of the line camera was 20% of that amount a few years ago (my 1VHS) and even if I can write it off, paying $10k for a camera that's only good for 2 years before the competition moves on is asking a lot. Last I knew, the IRS still had depreciation schedules that must be followed.
There is no secret; Canon always updates the same line of equipment at a fixed period
Looking at historical release dates:
10D (Feb. 03) to 20D (Aug. 04) to 30D (Feb. 06) is always 18 months apart
300D (Aug. 03) to 350D (Feb. 05) to 400D (Aug. 06) is also 18 months apart
1D (Sep. 01) to 1D2 (Jan. 04) to 1D2N (Aug. 05) (exception!) 28 months and 19 months
1DS (Sep. 02) to 1DS2 (Sep. 04) is 24 months
1D2N was introduced just 12 months ago but 1DS2 was released 24 months ago that makes it a prime candidate for a new release next month during Photokina.
The worst part is that the 30D replacement will not be until August 2007
Tomy wrote:
There is no secret; Canon always updates the same line of equipment at a fixed period
Looking at historical release dates:
10D (Feb. 03) to 20D (Aug. 04) to 30D (Feb. 06) is always 18 months apart
300D (Aug. 03) to 350D (Feb. 05) to 400D (Aug. 06) is also 18 months apart
1D (Sep. 01) to 1D2 (Jan. 04) to 1D2N (Aug. 05) (exception!) 28 months and 19 months
1DS (Sep. 02) to 1DS2 (Sep. 04) is 24 months
1D2N was introduced just 12 months ago but 1DS2 was released 24 months ago that makes it a prime candidate for a new release next month during Photokina.
The worst part is that the 30D replacement will not be until August 2007 ...Show more →
Except for the D60 - 10D which was only 12 months!
If it's $10K, I think we're looking at a combined camera - a fast crop mode and a slower full res. mode. And maybe more than 22mp in full res.
Did Digic II double the throughput of Digic I ?
RDKirk wrote:
I'm still expecting two 1D cameras announced during Photokina:
24x36mm sensor, 16mp 8fps, DIGIC III, $4500 (I'm nearly certain about this one--just a 1Ds Mk II with DIGIC III)
24x36mm sensor, 20-22mp 4fps, DIGIC III, $8000-10000 (possible)
Both would have the current bells and whistles, like the larger LCD, Picture Styles, sensor cleaning function, and, yes, the print button.
I hope you are correct but help me understand how the 16mp full frame would compare, pixel density wise, with the current Mark2N. I know this has been chewed over before but I can't find a reference to how it would compare to a 1.3 crop snesor. In other words, would a full frame 16mp body give a better, worse, or the same image resolution as the current 1.3 crop Mark2N? Anyone? Thanks.
Mariner wrote:
I hope you are correct but help me understand how the 16mp full frame would compare, pixel density wise, with the current Mark2N. I know this has been chewed over before but I can't find a reference to how it would compare to a 1.3 crop snesor. In other words, would a full frame 16mp body give a better, worse, or the same image resolution as the current 1.3 crop Mark2N? Anyone? Thanks.
Why do you guys think canon is all of a sudden revamping their fast primes like the 50mm and the 85mm.......its for a new, very high resolution camera.....lenses like the 35L, 50L, 85L, 135L and maybe a new 200L would be good to take advantage of all that resolution if there is a 20+ MP camera.
ChaseH wrote:Why do you guys think canon is all of a sudden revamping their fast primes like the 50mm and the 85mm.......its for a new, very high resolution camera
RDKirk wrote:
I'm still expecting two 1D cameras announced during Photokina:
24x36mm sensor, 16mp 8fps, DIGIC III, $4500 (I'm nearly certain about this one--just a 1Ds Mk II with DIGIC III)
24x36mm sensor, 20-22mp 4fps, DIGIC III, $8000-10000 (possible)
Current 1D cameras both have about same throughput as measured in MP x fps: 1D = 8.2*8.5 = 70 and 1Ds = 16.6*4 = 66.
Without knowing the throughput of Digic III, my guess of next 1D cameras is this:
- FF sensor, 26.5 MP and 5 fps = throughput of about 133 (with equal pixel size than in 400D), with a high speed 1.25 crop mode of 17 MP and 8 fps
- 1.25 crop sensor, 17 MP and 8 fps = throughput of about 136 (with equal pixel size than in 400D)
Canon says in their recent FF white paper that they can make 1.25 crop (APS-H) sensors with one wafer exposure shot vs. 3 shots for FF sensors, thus making 1.25 crop sensors MUCH cheaper to produce than FF sensors. For pros 1.25 crop sensor's EF lens requirement (vs. EF-S) should not be a major preventive issue.
Obviously Canon might opt for somewhat larger pixels in 1D cameras than in 400D, because of noise and lens resolution reasons. OTOH, selling high resolution sensors helps in selling even more expensive lenses to pros and other big spenders.
cad3 wrote:
ROFL... I just came back to this thread to ask which one was the Legend? I'm hoping that Legend is referring to Digic III, but I don't know that for certain...
The legend, - oh that's the Selphy (http://www.dpreview.com/news/0608/06082403canonselphyes1.asp). And they surely did prepare for this. Almost all selling bodies has a direct-print button.
Hey...... Canon guys....
you spread rumors because there is nothing really going on with Canon..hehehe ~
now..you can ban me from entering your site....unless..you have a sense of humor...
bye now...
izabelam wrote:
Hey...... Canon guys....
you spread rumors because there is nothing really going on with Canon..hehehe ~
now..you can ban me from entering your site....unless..you have a sense of humor...
bye now...
In the daylight, we just smile, it's in low light that we really laugh our butts off. =)
Let's not forget that it wasn't until late September when reliable rumors began to appear about the 1Ds Mark II at the last Photokina, it is still very possible a new pro body will be announced next month.
I think Canon released this information today about the XTi because of Nikon's recent announcement of the D80, Canon doesn't want them to get all the press. The introduction of the 50mm f/1.2 L I think could be a teaser for a new body this lens was designed for, not that the lens won't be stellar on other bodies, just a thought...
