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Aug 09, 2006 at 11:31 PM

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p.2 #2 · I want to cry or scream....Im not sure which

suggest they spent a bit more and take a basic photo class and move on to the next post....

Aug 09, 2006 at 11:46 PM

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Aug 09, 2006 at 11:54 PM

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p.2 #4 · I want to cry or scream....Im not sure which

don't be a hater

Aug 10, 2006 at 12:07 AM

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p.2 #5 · I want to cry or scream....Im not sure which

I don't understand most of the functions of the 20D but use it anyway when necessary. For example I couldn't use the white balance with a gun to my head, nor understand the icons on the little LCD display, jpeg functions, AI sevo etc. But who cares? My goal is not to be a salesman. Aperture on one dial, shutter speed on the other, bar in the viewfinder for exposure and the human brain to judge metering... That is what really matters. The rest is for the technogeeks.

Aug 10, 2006 at 12:12 AM

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p.2 #6 · I want to cry or scream....Im not sure which

i'm still trying to figure out the video player and the washing machine. 20d will be after that.

Aug 10, 2006 at 12:19 AM

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p.2 #7 · I want to cry or scream....Im not sure which

I wasn't going to post this experience...until I seen this topic. I was picking up my 20D. A 16 year (give or take) wanted a 5D.

His mom states: what is wrong with this one (30D)?
Boy: This one has more MP.
Mom: Well, I do like your shots from the disposables....
Boy: Can I get it?
Mom: Sure

WHAT?!?!?!? I felt like beating the kid with my 50/1.8II. I figured I could've bought one again while I was in line...

Aug 10, 2006 at 12:25 AM

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EllitoGuy wrote:
what i hate is when i see a bastard in union square taking pics with a 1ds mkII and a 24-70L taking pics of dogs... thats a damn professional camera man, not for trivial pics..

a 20d/30d is a family cam, a 1dsII is not

Well I use the 1Ds MK II for taking images of the family dogs. They are not trivial! Dogs are more loyal and loving than most people, and certainly more precious in the long run than any of the more serious subjects like a landscape or wildlife, etc. So why not take the best images possible? The 1Ds MK II is very good for pets, as the extra detail in the fur really pops out and looks more lifelike than with lesser cameras.

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Aug 10, 2006 at 12:27 AM

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the_farouk wrote:
I really shoudnt care one way or the other but some stupidity just rubs me the wrong way. I was at another forum (one that will remain nameless) and someone posted that they had just bought a 30D and that the camera was far more advance than they were ready for. They said the had read the manuel 3 times and still didnt get it, and they ask if someone could explain ISO, what are A-DEP, M, Av, Tv, P,and what is WB.

I wanted to scream.... You just spend over $1000 on somethign that you know nothing about. I should be use to this by now, considering that we all know money doesnt equal brains. Maybe Im just upset that I wasted my time reading the post to begin with.

Posts like these make this forum look like some of the others.

Aug 10, 2006 at 12:37 AM

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p.2 #10 · I want to cry or scream....Im not sure which

You are all missing the big picture! The guy wants to learn and he knows his limitations! He read the manual three times, which is three times more than most people stumbling around the internet! Equipment envy will get you nowhere. Maybe he's starting with a 30 but who cares? He wants to learn. That's what counts.

He's receptive to learning. Send him here. Give the guy the help he deserves.

the_farouk wrote: I really shoudnt care one way or the other but some stupidity just rubs me the wrong way. I was at another forum (one that will remain nameless) and someone posted that they had just bought a 30D and that the camera was far more advance than they were ready for. They said the had read the manuel 3 times and still didnt get it, and they ask if someone could explain ISO, what are A-DEP, M, Av, Tv, P,and what is WB.

Aug 10, 2006 at 12:55 AM

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EllitoGuy wrote:
what i hate isnt someone who buys a 20d and doesnt know how to use it, what i hate is when i see a bastard in union square taking pics with a 1ds mkII and a 24-70L taking pics of dogs... thats a damn professional camera man, not for trivial pics..

a 20d/30d is a family cam, a 1dsII is not

I take photos of my dog quite often. Occasionally I'll bring the 30D + 70-200/4 combo to the dog park and take pictures of all the other dogs. If I had the funds to upgrade to a 1Ds MkII, I would.. and I would still take photos of my dog.

What's your point? If I'm setting up a tripod shoot with dawn/dusk lighting of an ancient desert ruin, or taking shots of dogs having a great time at the park, I'm still the same photographer (admittedly far from as good a one as I'd like to be) with the same skillset. Also, there are many professional pet photographers out there, and I'm sure many of them use top-of-the-line gear like the mkII. Should they downgrade because of the subject matter?

Aug 10, 2006 at 01:11 AM

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p.2 #12 · I want to cry or scream....Im not sure which

I'd blame the salesperson.They are obviously more concerned about the $$$ than doing the customer a favour.Unless they offer free shoot classes as is the case with the better retailers in Oz.

Aug 10, 2006 at 01:21 AM

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p.2 #13 · I want to cry or scream....Im not sure which

This is the reason we find all the old mint stuff on e-bay .

Aug 10, 2006 at 01:52 AM

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i bought my 20D and i didn't know how to use the dang thing until i started reading the manual and went out and used the camera and went on forums like this to ask questions. whats wrong with that? lets not forget we were all newbies at one time.

Aug 10, 2006 at 02:36 AM

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Guys check this thread out over at the Other Forum...

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1018&message=19528454

Aug 10, 2006 at 02:53 AM

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mrvile7734 wrote:
Guys check this thread out over at the Other Forum...

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1018&message=19528454

That guy is going to be in line for all IS lenses this weekend.

Aug 10, 2006 at 03:03 AM

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I honestly think that the picture in that thread really isn't all that bad. He does not really understand the technical side of his camera but he has composed that image well.

Aug 10, 2006 at 03:12 AM

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ontime wrote:
I honestly think that the picture in that thread really isn't all that bad. He does not really understand the technical side of his camera but he has composed that image well.

Compositionally the picture isn't bad, and it's natural for a beginner to suffer from motion blur, but the way he took the criticism basically screwed him over. Let's see if he comes here for help

Aug 10, 2006 at 03:16 AM

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mrvile7734 wrote:
ontime wrote:
I honestly think that the picture in that thread really isn't all that bad. He does not really understand the technical side of his camera but he has composed that image well.

Compositionally the picture isn't bad, and it's natural for a beginner to suffer from motion blur, but the way he took the criticism basically screwed him over. Let's see if he comes here for help

So true. He was practically crying.

Aug 10, 2006 at 03:27 AM

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p.2 #20 · I want to cry or scream....Im not sure which

Im upset i wasted my time reading the original post

Aug 10, 2006 at 03:28 AM

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p.2 #21 · I want to cry or scream....Im not sure which

I've got to hop in here. I've been a P&S shooter for decades. I bought my 20D because I wanted to take better pictures, not because I knew how to take better pictures. You buy it, you learn how to use it, and you get better with it. It's called a learning curve and I see nothing wrong with it. Anyone who remembers where I started knows how much I've already learned; anyone who has read my recent posts knows how much further I still have to go. It's all good.

Did you really know what RAM was when you bought your first computer? Hell, I bet most of us don't even know how to program our remote controls or, for that matter, use our cell phones to their full potential.

Aug 10, 2006 at 03:33 AM

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Its true for any interest people have when they also have money. I am a big mtb rider. I can't tell you how many guys I used to see in CT with $5000 bikes that didn't know a trail from a sidewalk. Cars...ever see a Hummer? Who needs a Ferrari anyway? Sailboats...don't even get me started. I saw many people out sailing who couldn't get it to go where they wanted if you gave them an engine and a crew.

Some people just have too much money to spend. Don't get frustrated. Be glad they are all buying these toys, putting $$$ into R&D, and driving prices down as volume goes up. Not to mention all those great deals we can get once they realize they really are not any good at ___________ (fill in the blank with hobby of the week).

Aug 10, 2006 at 03:52 AM

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I know how that guy feels. My wife picked up a 5D for me yesterday, but I don't like to read manuals. Could someone tell me where you load the film? I'm not having much luck getting into that side slot.

This image is copyrighted by the owner

[OK, I'm a little late to the party...

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Aug 10, 2006 at 04:59 AM

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mthtchr wrote:
I know how that guy feels. My wife picked up a 5D for me yesterday, but I don't like to read manuals. Could someone tell me where you load the film? I'm not having much luck getting into that side slot.

The film doesn't get wound into the side slot until you hit that direct print button

Aug 10, 2006 at 08:11 AM

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Monito wrote:
You are all missing the big picture! The guy wants to learn and he knows his limitations! He read the manual three times, which is three times more than most people stumbling around the internet! Equipment envy will get you nowhere. Maybe he's starting with a 30 but who cares? He wants to learn. That's what counts.

He's receptive to learning. Send him here. Give the guy the help he deserves.

Hear hear!

Aug 10, 2006 at 10:51 AM


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