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p.2 #1 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?

Nope, my next body will be a 5D or 1-series.

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Feb 21, 2006 at 07:49 PM

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p.2 #2 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?

I was thinking of picking up another 20D at the beginning of January when they still had the rebates. I like the 20D that I have, but I wanted it pick up an extra body. I'm glad I waited, I'll get the 30D in a few months, but not to replace the 20D, just to have an extra body. I'm also glad it looks like the grip from the 20D will fit on the 30D. I'll have to wait a while for a 5D or a 1 Series

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p.2 #3 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?

My next camera will be a 1Ds Mark III !!!!

Without EF-S, that 17-55mm 2.8 lense would be perfect.

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p.2 #4 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?

I am not dumping mine unless canon offers some 500 bucks rebate on 30D any time soon. OTOH, looks liek EF-S is going to stay for a while now.

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Feb 21, 2006 at 08:15 PM

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p.2 #5 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?

I've used a 20D as a back-up/second body to my 1DII. It has served me very well. If I didn't have a 20D, I'd look forward to getting the 30D to use as a second body because of the spot meter, ability to adjust ISO in 1/3 stop increments, and larger RAW buffer alone. However, since I already have a 20D, it will serve me fine. While I like the ability to adjust ISO in 1/3 stop increments on my 1DII, being "stuck" with full stop increments is something I can live with. The larger RAW buffer would be nice, but, even as a burst shooter, at "only" 5 fps, I don't fill up the buffer on the 20D that often, and, even when I do, it clears so fast that the buffer depth is almost irrelevant. Even if the 20D buffer does fill, a second or so later, it can shoot another 3 or 4 shot burst. The spot meter would be nice, but it is not essential. I don't chimp a lot, and, to me, the larger LCD is irrelevant. For me, the AF on the 20D gets the job done, and, if I use it properly, will continue to do so. The other changes are irrelevant.
Just as I didn't feel that, for me, "upgrading" from the 1DII to the N was worth spending the money, I feel the same way about the 30D. Both my 1DII and my 20D will take pictures that are just as good as an N or a 30D, even though the replacements might have more "convenience" features. So, I'll just save the money for the moment and put it toward my 1DIII or combined 1-series that should be available in about a year.
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p.2 #6 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?

Just look at all the comments "Well, I'll look at a 5d now."

People went from saying "I'll skip the 5d, and wait for the new 30d" to saying "I guess the 5d is my other option."

Canon knew that if they kept feeding consumers upgraded 10/20/30d series, they'd never feel the need to move up to the 5d... Seriously, if the 30d had the same MP and focusing as the 5d, a lot fewer people would be considering it as an upgrade suddenly. By releasing the 30d with underwhelming upgrades, people know that the 5d (or higher, though most upgraders will have trouble with 3k for the 5d) is the only option to "step up" any time soon.

Sadly, I like a 1.5/1.6 crop. If we busted our 20d, the 30d would be the logical replacement, but it isn't upgrade worthy. No changes to the image quality at all--and the 5d has no crop and is just too expensive for us.

In any case, by underwhelming us with the 30d, I think Canon has insured increased sales on their 5d, which is their baby right now.

Why buy a 3000 dollar cow when the 1300 dollar cow makes milk that is close to if not equally as good--even better in some aspects.

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p.2 #7 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?

Still considering the D200. Then it will be bye-bye Canon for good.

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Feb 21, 2006 at 08:31 PM

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p.2 #8 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?

rocketpop wrote:
Just look at all the comments "Well, I'll look at a 5d now."

People went from saying "I'll skip the 5d, and wait for the new 30d" to saying "I guess the 5d is my other option."

Why buy a 3000 dollar cow when the 1300 dollar cow makes milk that is close to if not equally as good--even better in some aspects.

I am somewhat in that boat, I've looked at, but I'm still not buying that $3k cow. If I can pick it up for slightly over 2k at some point, I'd go for it, but really all the 30D has done is reinforced my desire to stick with the 20D. So yea, Canon gets no additional body out of me from this release.

I don't find the 17-55 exciting either, now an EF-S 15-70 f/4 IS, and I would jump at that right away, even if it was $1200.

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p.2 #9 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?

I started saving for the 5D since October of last year. I just purchased it 2/15. I already have the 20D and was very happy with it. I wanted the full frame sensor, but the 1DsMKII is a little out of my reach right now. With this new release of the 30D, I am glad I got the 5D.

Inge

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p.2 #10 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?

Not me!!

I think Canon messed up with the feature/price segmentation with the 5D. A major release now around the $1500 range would only have disturbed the segmentation further and encroached on 5D sales. The had to stay away from a major revamp to 20D which would have hurt 5D plan even further.

I think in the not so distant future, between the 5D/1D2N, there could either be:

* a consolidation of features and price segments with both being phased out over a year to 18 months and replaced by a consolidated alternative, more inline with phasing out the 1.3x crop allowing for a consolidated progression from 5D/1D2N with a full frame sensor with a very distinct $3K to $4K price segment

* further distinction between the two and move the 5D lower in the price segment as 6 to 12 months it would probably be somewhere around $2400. The then current lower pricing of the 5D and the possibility of phasing out a 1.3x crop would make room in the $3500 to $4500 segment for a 1D2N update.
Lower pricing of 5D allows a better feature/price segmentation as below which makes it just right for a major DSLR release.

Entry Level DSLR (Rebel and the likes) - around $800
Prosumer (30D and the likes) - $1300
Entry Pro (5D and the likes) - $2400
Mid Pro (1D2N update) - $4000 or so
Top of the line (1D2S) - $7K

With the current 20D feature/performance, for me the next jump would be either a 5D (with the lower pricing 6 to 12 months out) or the 1D2N update, possibly the latter with the 20D/30D as a backup body (or funds from the sale easing the cost a bit)

30D doesn't justify a switch from 20D.

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p.2 #11 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?

I'm not interested in the 30D. I'll stick with the 20D I own until I pony up for a 5D or it's successor.

If I didn't own a DSLR yet, I would probably go with the 30D, but it doesn't have enough goody power to make me want to switch.

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p.2 #12 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?

I will wait until my store I work in has the 30D in stock, then I will take my 20D and exchange it for a 30D (no cost, pays to work there). I will then p/u a 20D used for my wife to use (I may do this sooner depending on prices in B&S forum). I love the 20D, and i will hopefully love the 30D too.

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Feb 21, 2006 at 09:56 PM

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p.2 #13 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?

Nope, not enough of a bump for me to go to the 30D. I will save my $$ and buy some more glass. I am still looking at the 24-105L as my next purchase. Before I go and spend $$ on another body, it had better have MORE upgrades than the 30D. In the mean time I have way more things to spend $$ on than I have $$ in the bank for...

Lenses, new tripod, ballhead, new camera bag, new laptop......

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p.2 #14 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?

Not I, I just jumped to the 5D last week. The 20D just became my backup and it will go if there's a new 1D full frame at Photokina which drops the price of used 1DsMkII's and the 5D will go to backup.

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Feb 21, 2006 at 10:23 PM

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p.2 #15 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?

I don't think I am, at least not for a while

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Feb 21, 2006 at 10:24 PM

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p.2 #16 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?

It seems that Canon has a dog here.

Most of the response from 20D owners (including me) is that it just isn't much of an upgrade. Be better off to spend the money on glass.

For anyone in the market for a new dSLR in this price range. Nikon's D200 is currently a much better value.

So who the hell is going to buy one of these things?

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Feb 21, 2006 at 10:33 PM

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p.2 #17 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?

EOS20 wrote:
[The next camera due for replacement/upgrade is the 1Ds Mk II. If not the 350D/Rebel XT I guess. There has been alot of rumours of a new EOS 3000D.

It would be intresting to see what would replace the 1Ds 2, But I rekon it will only be a slight upgrade like the 1D Mk IIn.

When all of the discussion of a +10MP 30D/35D with more focus points, DIGICIII, (etc.) was happening leading up to this announcement, I wondered what such a camera would do the the 1DMKII sales and how that would fit into Canon's strategy. Well, now we see that they have left plenty of distance between these two cameras for the time being.

I tend to think that Canon is working to consolidate the 1D line (18-22MP, higher frame rate). If so, there will not be a 1DMKII or a 1.3x sensor any longer. Such a move would open up room for a higher end 1.6x camera (the mythical 3D?). It would also allow the 5D to be upgraded (perhaps with the current 1DsMKII sensor). All three of these cameras could get DIGICIII at that time also. Any chance any of this could happen this fall?

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p.2 #18 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?

I will be upgrading!

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Feb 21, 2006 at 11:08 PM

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p.2 #19 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?

wow, i dunno what to do now...

I like the "updates" they have made, the most important to me is the RAW+JPEG simulateously (sp).
the 20D didn't do that, correct? if so, i never knew about it when i had it.
and if the 30D is only $400 more than a used 20D, i will probably get that until i buy a 1DMKIIN or something.

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p.2 #20 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?

I won't be upgrading, the next camera that I buy is going to be a 1 series or the mystical 3D that knowing my luck and all practical sense will never exist. This might be a good upgrade for people looking to replace their D30, D60, 10D, 300D or XT, but for serious 20D shooters who think that this camera will better their art or skill? I think not.

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p.2 #21 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?

HBOC wrote:
wow, i dunno what to do now...

I like the "updates" they have made, the most important to me is the RAW+JPEG simulateously (sp).
the 20D didn't do that, correct? if so, i never knew about it when i had it.
and if the 30D is only $400 more than a used 20D, i will probably get that until i buy a 1DMKIIN or something.

20D will certaily do that

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p.2 #22 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?

Well,,,this morning first thing 0600 was excitied. By 0900 not so much, by 1100 decided to put that money into a 24-70 2.8L. purchased before 2pm. We will now wait for photokena.

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Feb 22, 2006 at 12:01 AM

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p.2 #23 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?

My wife and I shoot together at Horse events. I bought her a 20D the day before the announcement !! Intentionally.

Dual cameras setup the same, give a nice consistant look and make PP easier.

The 20D is a very good camera and will be thought of as a 'standard' down the road.

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Feb 22, 2006 at 12:02 AM

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p.2 #24 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?

cogitech wrote:
It seems that Canon has a dog here.

Most of the response from 20D owners (including me) is that it just isn't much of an upgrade. Be better off to spend the money on glass.

For anyone in the market for a new dSLR in this price range. Nikon's D200 is currently a much better value.

So who the hell is going to buy one of these things?

I for one am very happy about the fact that I'm not looking at my 20D and feeling disappointment. I don't think that Canon really has a dog here though. 300D, XT, and non-DSLR owners will buy the 30D and be really happy with it. Meanwhile folks like us that are already happy with what the 20D gives us will remain the happy kind of person that buys Canon glass.

Remember that in many cases people are either going to spend money on bodies, or they're going to spend money on lenses... either way they're spending and if it's on Canon equipment they're probably happy.

It'll be interesting what price the 20D settles in at after 6 months. For a while the D200 will appear to be a great deal... but if triple rebates come up again next year and include the 30D it poses a great value proposition. What's more it's a value proposition that includes the purchase of two very decent lenses. That's the kind of investment that makes it unlikely for a person to switch to the opposing brand at some point down the road.

This time last year I was a relatively new owner of a 300D. I did not know the upgrade cycle at that time. When the XT came out I was taken off guard and it was a "look honey, there's this nice new rebel that I like way better than the one I've already got". It was so much nicer when my wife came home today. She got the "look honey, the new body came out like I told you... And I don't even want it!!!".

If you haven't guessed by now... I'm not upgrading

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Feb 22, 2006 at 12:32 AM

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p.2 #25 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?

i will buy the 20D if a bit lower in price and buy some glass with the money saved. no sense in losing photo opportunities while waiting, or saving, for a different camera.

Edited on Feb 22, 2006 at 05:46 PM

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