joecirca79 wrote:
I find it hilarious to see how so many people are upset with Canon because they refused to release a camera with horrible noise and banding problems. Yeah! Canon sucks! <_<
Uh, they fixed the banding problems and noise is easy enough to deal with.
Seems like a decent upgrade to me . what did evryone expect a new camera , its a replacement so it was only going to have things that canon have seen and been told by all the 20D users over the last 18months what was needed to make the 20d even greater.
iso in the viewfinder was one complaint and the rest i think you can see have been corrected in this 30D ,
Did Nikon not do this with there 70 model .
so i can't see any reason for complaints, if you want a higher spec body buy a 1series or a 5d ,
and why do folk seem to be bashing this of the D200 the d200 is on the 5D level ,
The D200 is on this level, it falls way short of the 5D. It's about time a camera company stoped to make its camera better instead of pumping out high mp crap
I think it's funny how everyone was making predictions with specs (most importantly weathersealing and 10MP) to compete with the D200, and now that the 30D turns out to be basically a 20Dn, the tune changes.
But anyways, probably a smart move by Canon, just trying to sink prices, and introducing a 17-55 f/2.8 to show they are serious about crop format. They will sell a boatload of them.
Rich.B wrote:
Seems like a decent upgrade to me . what did evryone expect a new camera , its a replacement so it was only going to have things that canon have seen and been told by all the 20D users over the last 18months what was needed to make the 20d even greater.
iso in the viewfinder was one complaint and the rest i think you can see have been corrected in this 30D ,
Did Nikon not do this with there 70 model .
so i can't see any reason for complaints, if you want a higher spec body buy a 1series or a 5d ,
and why do folk seem to be bashing this of the D200 the d200 is on the 5D level ,...Show more →
I still don't consider the 5d as a competitor to anything on the market. The D200 is a completely different beast. It's faster frames per second, its a 1.6x crop, it has weather sealing, it has a pro build, it is 1300 dollars cheaper, and it is meant for all-uses from prosumers to pros.
The 5d has superior image quality and ISO performance, but is far more suited to landscape and portrait photographers. The feature sets and prices are just completely different.
MPerdomo wrote:
I think it's funny how everyone was making predictions with specs (most importantly weathersealing and 10MP) to compete with the D200, and now that the 30D turns out to be basically a 20Dn, the tune changes.
But anyways, probably a smart move by Canon, just trying to sink prices, and introducing a 17-55 f/2.8 to show they are serious about crop format. They will sell a boatload of them.
I don't see them selling a "boatload" of them. I'm sure they know their market and limited prodution will make it difficult to acquire at first, but I still don't see it selling even near the 17-40L or 70-300 IS. The average 20d and XT customer that I know doesn't spend $1300 on their walk around lens... Hell, most of them don't spend $1300 on any lens.
cineski wrote:
I think Canon is relying on the new 17-55 to keep and get new Canon customers. I don't agree with the megapixel wars, but it sure seem that Canon and Nikon do, as do Joe consumer, so the 30d really surprises me in its subtleness. From Canon's perspective, people who buy the 30d will now want to spend more money in a year for the next upgrade, or even the 5d in a few months. Money money money....
As I've said elsewhere the only reason I think some people see this camera as a let down is because its branded a 30D which you would think means whole new camera but instead its an upgrade of an existing one. Had they branded it a 20Dn I don't think there would be so many un-happy people.
I don't know why people get so defensive about it being better or worse than the D200. Its the peson behind the thing that counts, I've seen shots taken on a 20 year old manual focus camera that I only wish I could take!
cogitech wrote:
Uh, they fixed the banding problems and noise is easy enough to deal with.
I dunno if people are upset or just baffled.
It's simple...Canon wanted to make sure that the sucessor to the 20D wasn't a step backwards in image quality. It likely would have been if they crammed 2 more MPs into the sensor at this time.
Quote from the 30D White paper:
"While it makes a strong case for itself as a separate device, the EOS30D provides a
clear upgrade path to the EOS5D and the EOS-1D MarkII N..."
I think the same goes to owners of the 20d. If you want more features and better IQ, you gotta move up.
White paper: "Still, tried-and-true, or tried-and-true-but-very-much-modern-and-current, has a genuine appeal, especially to the person who’s paying for it."
Rich.B wrote:
and why do folk seem to be bashing this of the D200 the d200 is on the 5D level ,
Well,5D doesn't have the 5fps. and it's a full frame. I'd preffer 1.6 crop over full frame for the type of work that I do.
All in all, 30D can't compete with D200 and I am sure Nikon people are jumping up in the air. With all the rumors,they were having a heart attack,trying to predict Canon's next big thing. Big thing didn't happen. A few people from work are going to the store tomorrow to buy D200.They were waiting for the 30D. Now,they are mad for wasting their time all these months.
Sucks to be Canon...
20D is huge a camera! It kicked film's bottoms (left and right 1/2). Sensor resolution is exceeding most of the consumers lenses resolving power. People macking living w/cameras are using it. Don't let complainers rough up your tail. I have been tacking photos (seriously) since '70 and finaly went digital. 20D would be the the back-up and tele choice but 30D has one important advantage: larger screen. This is important to a mature (mature but not senior) population. I gather you are still not "mature" so you will have a years of injoinment w/20D. Don't buy many lenses but good lenses. Go for f2 and 2.8 not because camera needs it but human behind the camera needs to see the object's detales. 5, 8, gazilion FPS who cares. You need only one shot: the good one (Uzi makes the noise but sniper rifle in a marckman's han hits the target). Fast frame rate produce a lot of time looking dissapontingly in a images on the screen wheer The One would be just between those you have but The (good) One is gone for ever.
Good luck and great light:
Dane3
tach18k wrote:
I got a 20D last summer, I almost got the Nikon d70s but was told to use my existing canon lenses since I had them already, and get the 20d, the 20d is a fine camera, I got real crappy lenses. I thought about the Nikon d200 to add to my stuff, again someone said hold off on the d200 since the new canon is coming out. Well the d200 looks better than the 30d is some areas, since I do have cheap lenses the change over is not as great if I had thousands in lenses. Selling the 20d and it lenses could get me the d200 body, and any lenses I would add would be about the same if I upgraded my canon line of lenses which I do need to do. It is a perplexing argument isnt it?...Show more →
20D is huge a camera! It kicked film's bottoms (left and right 1/2). Sensor resolution is exceeding most of the consumers lenses resolving power. People macking living w/cameras are using it. Don't let complainers rough up your tail. I have been tacking photos (seriously) since '70 and finaly went digital. 20D would be the the back-up and tele choice but 30D has one important advantage: larger screen. This is important to a mature (mature but not senior) population. I gather you are still not "mature" so you will have a years of injoinment w/20D. Don't buy many lenses but good lenses. Go for f2 and 2.8 not because camera needs it but human behind the camera needs to see the object's detales. 5, 8, gazilion FPS who cares. You need only one shot: the good one (Uzi makes the noise but sniper rifle in a marckman's han hits the target). Fast frame rate produce a lot of time looking dissapontingly in a images on the screen wheer The One would be just between those you have but The (good) One is gone for ever.
Good luck and great light:
Dane3
As I've yet to make the dSLR jump from film. I really don't see any problem at all with this camera and why Canon did it. I know this is a silly comparison, but Ford has been making cars for years...right? Take a model of Mustang from the 1990's and take this year's Mustang GT. 1990's = 20d....still a great car/camera. Now, take the Mustang GT = 30d. It's still basically the same camera...but better. It's not trying to be a Ferrari. Why get all bent out of shape when Canon is just making a previous SLR better? If they brought out some new line to fit in the middle of the 20d and the 5d, all it's fault's would be magnified and already judged before even holding the camera. I'm all for making a current product better.
Ford haters....it was only a comparison. I own a Chevy.......
I am looking to upgrade my XT/350D and yes, I am disappointed. I was hoping for more, but I can see why Canon limited the enhancement. I believe Canon is doing the right thing for the company. They are not looking for the 20D owner to upgrade to the 30D. They are looking at the 10D and 350D owners to upgrade (as memtion by a few earlier post). Also, most importantly, they are looking at the new comers to the DSLRs. I believed they look at the price point and build the 30D with features that supports a $1399 camera. They want to camera at pricing that will be in reach of a new DSLR customer. Why I say that? I was at a futureShop the other day, they are now carring both the 350D/XT and the 20D. This is a whole new game for Canon, they are pushing this to the point and shoot clients.
You know, I could have bought a slightly used 20D earlier this year and would have been happier than a pig in slop. But what I really needed was better lenses. More add-ons like soft boxes and the like. SO instead of spending a grand to buy a 20D I have some excellent lenses added to my arsenal with a simple 10D @ 6.3MP.
I don't care. If I need to print 11x14 I can still do it just as well as a 20D. It is all in what you do with what you have. A 5D in the hands of a complete amateur is worthless. A 300D in Fred's hands can be lethal, if you follow my drift. No need to go buy the latest and greatest. Learn to use what you have. Otherwise, you are merely buying hype. Canon would love that, but your wallet won't.
