I've never called into question the image quality of the 5D, just the level of improvement compared to the prices being asked for it.
As a pro who has used the 10D, 20D, 1DII and now 5D professionally for industrial commercial and portrait work I can confidently confirm the 5D is MILES better in terms of image quality than all the others, MILES, and that includes the 1DII
Sprout Crumble wrote:
Whats your point; that the 5D is great value compared to the most expensive DSLR around? Congratulations you've proved it. The actual point was that the 5D is overpriced for its spec and I stand by that (so's the 1DS2 to be honest...patently stupid price). As the street price has dropped 40% in the UK since its release 6 months ago, I'd say Canon agree with me.
The 5D has a 20D level specification at a near 1D price and the sensor alone is not justification for it. Thats my argument mate, I've never called into question the image quality of the 5D, just the level of improvement compared to the prices being asked for it....Show more →
Unfortunately Canon has no competition in FF so they can keep their prices ( too ) high
Huge dissappoint for me. I was a long time Canon user and just recently switched to Nikon. I am glad I made the switch because there is still nothing in the new cameras to keep me a Canon guy.
Simpons quoting aside, I'm not hugely impressed with the 30D. I was really hoping for some better autofocus and 10MP. That said, I own a 300D and will certainly be upgrading to the 30D. I just wish I was getting a little more in the upgrade. I purposely waited for the generation after the 20D and it doesn't look like I'm getting much for my patience. I certainly like the specs of the 30D, but was hoping for something a bit closer to the D200 level.
What are the chances Canon will release a $1800 camera this fall that competes directly with the D200? Or perhaps they will simply lower the price of the 5D. The new 17-55mm lens also amazes me in that they are charging $1150 for a non-L lens. It looks nice, but $1150? That's not going to be in my kit anytime soon at that price.
I, for one am very disappointed. Not that the 30D will be a bad camera but because it doesn't answer my desires, the main one of which is an improvement to the stupid layout of the AF points. Unfortunately, the 5D suffers from the same problem and the 1 series has some ergonomic issues, such as weight and being a two handed camera. I was hoping for more and will have to wait and see what makes the most sense for my shooting style. Two things are evident though...
1. DIGIC III isn't ready and is what is really needed to make the next major technological jump.
2. Canon doesn't read this forum or otherwise they would not have subjected themselves to mockery for putting on that inane Print Button on this camera as well.
dhphoto wrote:
As a pro who has used the 10D, 20D, 1DII and now 5D professionally for industrial commercial and portrait work I can confidently confirm the 5D is MILES better in terms of image quality than all the others, MILES, and that includes the 1DII
David
That is NOT a view i've heard or seen evidence for. The 5D is certainly capable of incrementally better images than the APS-C cameras (unless you have to crop), but bugger all that says the 5D is patently superior to the 1D2.
And where is the active histogram That and a larger screen would have made the ooh/ah factor for me. A buddy of mine just bought a little Sony P&S for about $400 that has both!
That is NOT a view i've heard or seen evidence for. The 5D is certainly capable of incrementally better images than the APS-C cameras (unless you have to crop), but bugger all that says the 5D is patently superior to the 1D2.
It is if you know pro's.
There is simply no comparison - it is like the difference between 35mm and medium format.
I've now gone completely digital as the 5D can beat the drum scans of my Hass & RB67 easily. The 1DII couldn't, so I sold it.
If you don't believe me chack out some of the pro sites.
DutchGuy wrote:
Unfortunately Canon has no competition in FF so they can keep their prices ( too ) high
Maybe not for too long. Pentax claim a 645 system camera with a larger than 35mm sensor kicking out around 22mp will hit the market by years end for around £5-6000. Makes the 1Ds2, a camera which shares a huge amount of component commonality with another model in the most successful camera system on the planet, look massively overpriced.
If Pentax can knock out a low volume, high spec body for this price, then Canon should hold its head in shame at the 1Ds2 price.
Sprout Crumble wrote:
Will do. Quite prepared to have my views changed. Very open minded but also very opinionated. You may have noticed.
Me too
I was truly surprised by just how good the 5D is (and believe me I didn't sell my longed-for and much beloved 1DII easily) but it is so much more than a glorified 20D, it reminds me more of my old F1-N, just does the job so well.
I think the 30D is pretty much exactly what I expected. I expected a MP bump, but I really don't care that it's not there: less noise! Anyway, I think it's funny how many people expected Canon to put out a pro-level body at the $1200 price point. Just wasn't going to happen. They weren't going to release a direct competitor to the D200, because it would eat into the 5D sales, and they didn't have a whole lot to fix on the 20D.
The 30D makes a solid camera that much better. There are quite a few unsung features on the new camera that I think people would love in practice: Long exposure noise reduction in the background (while exposing another frame). Spot metering was needed badly. Nearly double the RAW burst capability (11 vs 6), selectable burst speed (would be very nice for me...sometimes I wouldn't need 5fps, but 3 would be great).
Honestly, with the exception of a dedicated MLU button, I don't think I need any more. If I did, I'd buy a 1DIIn. If they made this camera more advanced, it would practically be a 5D.
Its not about a direct D200 competitor Jman, its about broadening and developing Canons biggest selling digital format. The 30D just brings so little to the range that it can only be seen as a huge disappointment. Its a 20Dn. If Canon had released it as such and another higher model for around $2000, I'd have been very happy indeed.
As it stands, APS-C as a format has not advanced one iota and the range is still unbalanced.
Lets face it, the 30D is essentially just an "N" version. It brings some minor improvements to the 20D and thats it. I am quite disappointed they did not make it 10MP or more.
Personally, I think this camera is dead in the water unless you are looking to upgrade from the Rebel. It makes no sense to me to buy it if you already have a 20D. I might actually pick up a 20D now that the price will plummet.
Pretty blah announcement, I kind of wondered if the camera was "ho-hum" by the lack of "leaks", I guess I'll wait for Photokina now.
Its listed as 1399 Euro at DPR and $1399 USD on the PMA site. Thats a big price difference.
At $1399 USD is works out to be around $1850(Au) and at 1399 Euro that works out to be around $2250(Au). If thats true the pepole of europe are being ripped off!
EOS20 wrote:
Its listed as 1399 Euro and $1399 USD on the PMA site. Thats a big price difference.
At $1399 USD is works out to be around $1850(Au) and at 1399 Euro that works out to be around $2250(Au). If thats true the pepole of europe are being ripped off!
That is true, not only for the 30D. Prices in Europe are much higher than in the US
scott f wrote:
Lets face it, the 30D is essentially just an "N" version. It brings some minor improvements to the 20D and thats it. I am quite disappointed they did not make it 10MP or more.
Personally, I think this camera is dead in the water unless you are looking to upgrade from the Rebel. It makes no sense to me to buy it if you already have a 20D. I might actually pick up a 20D now that the price will plummet.
Pretty blah announcement, I kind of wondered if the camera was "ho-hum" by the lack of "leaks", I guess I'll wait for Photokina now....Show more →
I think this upgrade is more about expanding their market than getting users to upgrade from existing. Even is the 30D had 10 MPs, I would still not trade in my 20D.
I think that Canon is not done yet revealing their cards.
That and a larger screen would have made the ooh/ah factor for me. A buddy of mine just bought a little Sony P&S for about $400 that has both!