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p.6 #1 · finally 30D !!!

I, for one am very disappointed. Not that the 30D will be a bad camera but because it doesn't answer my desires, the main one of which is an improvement to the stupid layout of the AF points. Unfortunately, the 5D suffers from the same problem and the 1 series has some ergonomic issues, such as weight and being a two handed camera. I was hoping for more and will have to wait and see what makes the most sense for my shooting style. Two things are evident though...

1. DIGIC III isn't ready and is what is really needed to make the next major technological jump.

2. Canon doesn't read this forum or otherwise they would not have subjected themselves to mockery for putting on that inane Print Button on this camera as well.

Feb 21, 2006 at 01:57 PM

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p.6 #2 · finally 30D !!!

dhphoto wrote:
I've never called into question the image quality of the 5D, just the level of improvement compared to the prices being asked for it.

As a pro who has used the 10D, 20D, 1DII and now 5D professionally for industrial commercial and portrait work I can confidently confirm the 5D is MILES better in terms of image quality than all the others, MILES, and that includes the 1DII

David

That is NOT a view i've heard or seen evidence for. The 5D is certainly capable of incrementally better images than the APS-C cameras (unless you have to crop), but bugger all that says the 5D is patently superior to the 1D2.

Feb 21, 2006 at 01:59 PM

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p.6 #3 · finally 30D !!!

And where is the active histogram

That and a larger screen would have made the ooh/ah factor for me. A buddy of mine just bought a little Sony P&S for about $400 that has both!

Feb 21, 2006 at 02:01 PM

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p.6 #4 · finally 30D !!!

That is NOT a view i've heard or seen evidence for. The 5D is certainly capable of incrementally better images than the APS-C cameras (unless you have to crop), but bugger all that says the 5D is patently superior to the 1D2.

It is if you know pro's.

There is simply no comparison - it is like the difference between 35mm and medium format.

I've now gone completely digital as the 5D can beat the drum scans of my Hass & RB67 easily. The 1DII couldn't, so I sold it.

If you don't believe me chack out some of the pro sites.

David

Feb 21, 2006 at 02:03 PM

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p.6 #5 · finally 30D !!!

Will do. Quite prepared to have my views changed. Very open minded but also very opinionated. You may have noticed.

Feb 21, 2006 at 02:05 PM

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p.6 #6 · finally 30D !!!

If the 30D has a mirror lock up switch/lever/button.
I will consider switching to it immediately.
Cos even the 5D/1DsII/1Dn don't have it

Feb 21, 2006 at 02:08 PM

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p.6 #7 · finally 30D !!!

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Unfortunately Canon has no competition in FF so they can keep their prices ( too ) high

Maybe not for too long. Pentax claim a 645 system camera with a larger than 35mm sensor kicking out around 22mp will hit the market by years end for around £5-6000. Makes the 1Ds2, a camera which shares a huge amount of component commonality with another model in the most successful camera system on the planet, look massively overpriced.
If Pentax can knock out a low volume, high spec body for this price, then Canon should hold its head in shame at the 1Ds2 price.

Feb 21, 2006 at 02:09 PM

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p.6 #8 · finally 30D !!!

Sprout Crumble wrote:
Will do. Quite prepared to have my views changed. Very open minded but also very opinionated. You may have noticed.

Me too

I was truly surprised by just how good the 5D is (and believe me I didn't sell my longed-for and much beloved 1DII easily) but it is so much more than a glorified 20D, it reminds me more of my old F1-N, just does the job so well.

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Feb 21, 2006 at 02:11 PM

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p.6 #9 · finally 30D !!!

I think the 30D is pretty much exactly what I expected. I expected a MP bump, but I really don't care that it's not there: less noise! Anyway, I think it's funny how many people expected Canon to put out a pro-level body at the $1200 price point. Just wasn't going to happen. They weren't going to release a direct competitor to the D200, because it would eat into the 5D sales, and they didn't have a whole lot to fix on the 20D.

The 30D makes a solid camera that much better. There are quite a few unsung features on the new camera that I think people would love in practice: Long exposure noise reduction in the background (while exposing another frame). Spot metering was needed badly. Nearly double the RAW burst capability (11 vs 6), selectable burst speed (would be very nice for me...sometimes I wouldn't need 5fps, but 3 would be great).

Honestly, with the exception of a dedicated MLU button, I don't think I need any more. If I did, I'd buy a 1DIIn. If they made this camera more advanced, it would practically be a 5D.

Feb 21, 2006 at 02:14 PM

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p.6 #10 · finally 30D !!!

Its not about a direct D200 competitor Jman, its about broadening and developing Canons biggest selling digital format. The 30D just brings so little to the range that it can only be seen as a huge disappointment. Its a 20Dn. If Canon had released it as such and another higher model for around $2000, I'd have been very happy indeed.
As it stands, APS-C as a format has not advanced one iota and the range is still unbalanced.

Feb 21, 2006 at 02:22 PM

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p.6 #11 · finally 30D !!!

Lets face it, the 30D is essentially just an "N" version. It brings some minor improvements to the 20D and thats it. I am quite disappointed they did not make it 10MP or more.
Personally, I think this camera is dead in the water unless you are looking to upgrade from the Rebel. It makes no sense to me to buy it if you already have a 20D. I might actually pick up a 20D now that the price will plummet.
Pretty blah announcement, I kind of wondered if the camera was "ho-hum" by the lack of "leaks", I guess I'll wait for Photokina now.

Feb 21, 2006 at 02:26 PM

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p.6 #12 · finally 30D !!!

Its listed as 1399 Euro at DPR and $1399 USD on the PMA site. Thats a big price difference.

At $1399 USD is works out to be around $1850(Au) and at 1399 Euro that works out to be around $2250(Au). If thats true the pepole of europe are being ripped off!

Feb 21, 2006 at 02:32 PM

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EOS20 wrote:
Its listed as 1399 Euro and $1399 USD on the PMA site. Thats a big price difference.

At $1399 USD is works out to be around $1850(Au) and at 1399 Euro that works out to be around $2250(Au). If thats true the pepole of europe are being ripped off!

That is true, not only for the 30D. Prices in Europe are much higher than in the US

Feb 21, 2006 at 02:34 PM

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p.6 #14 · finally 30D !!!

scott f wrote:
Lets face it, the 30D is essentially just an "N" version. It brings some minor improvements to the 20D and thats it. I am quite disappointed they did not make it 10MP or more.
Personally, I think this camera is dead in the water unless you are looking to upgrade from the Rebel. It makes no sense to me to buy it if you already have a 20D. I might actually pick up a 20D now that the price will plummet.
Pretty blah announcement, I kind of wondered if the camera was "ho-hum" by the lack of "leaks", I guess I'll wait for Photokina now.

I think this upgrade is more about expanding their market than getting users to upgrade from existing. Even is the 30D had 10 MPs, I would still not trade in my 20D.

I think that Canon is not done yet revealing their cards.

Feb 21, 2006 at 02:35 PM

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p.6 #15 · finally 30D !!!

almost not noticed is the fact that Canon is offering 2 new printers.

A thread has been started in Post Proc & Print forum

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Feb 21, 2006 at 02:38 PM

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p.6 #16 · finally 30D !!!

I see the battery grip is still the same BG-E2.

Feb 21, 2006 at 02:40 PM

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p.6 #17 · finally 30D !!!

EOS20 wrote:If thats true the pepole of europe are being ripped off!

Nothing new to us, here in Europe..

Feb 21, 2006 at 02:43 PM

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p.6 #18 · finally 30D !!!

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Its not about a direct D200 competitor Jman, its about broadening and developing Canons biggest selling digital format.

Of course it is! Which is why the 30D makes sense...if they released a massively improved camera, it would be very close to the 5D, and priced accordingly...leaving a HUGE jump for those to go from the Rebel XT to a 30D. If they inserted a camera into the 20D->5D area, you've got market saturation, with 5 different models, all very close to one another....not smart either.

The 30D just brings so little to the range that it can only be seen as a huge disappointment. Its a 20Dn. If Canon had released it as such and another higher model for around $2000, I'd have been very happy indeed.
As it stands, APS-C as a format has not advanced one iota and the range is still unbalanced.

I think the range is very balanced...perhaps not in a price point situation, but capability wise it is. You've got budget (Rebel XT - $850), Prosumer (3D - $1399), compact professional (5D - $2800), Professional sports (1DIIn - $4000) and Professional, top IQ (1DsII - $7700). Not a bad lineup. Charging $2000 for the 'prosumer' camera would KILL sales, and making the 30D essentially a 5D or better with a 1.6x sensor would overlap WAY too much with the 5D.

True, the 30D isn't a direct competitor to the D200...so what? Nikon has no direct competitor to the 5D?

For those of you who just HAVE to upgrade every year, yeah, you might be a bit disappointed, but I think this gives us a fantastic camera. The 30D is now a practically flawless (not completely, but VERY close) prosumer DSLR. There's very little that one could want in a mid-range body. Want superior autofocus, resolution galore and weather sealing? Go 1-Series. Want full frame? Go 5D. Want a well built, do everything in a compact package at a reasonable price? The 30D is PERFECT for that.

I think too many people expected a D200 at the 20D's price point...and that was never going to happen.

Feb 21, 2006 at 02:44 PM

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p.6 #19 · finally 30D !!!

If you were a rebel owner , looking to upgrade the body, why would you bother with the 30D?? Why not get a 20D at discounted prices? This is pretty sad, I hope Canon has something else to offer pretty soon.

Feb 21, 2006 at 02:53 PM

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p.6 #20 · finally 30D !!!

Oh well, heres to Photokina and the new rumour mill!

Feb 21, 2006 at 02:58 PM

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p.6 #21 · finally 30D !!!

scott f wrote:
If you were a rebel owner , looking to upgrade the body, why would you bother with the 30D?? Why not get a 20D at discounted prices? This is pretty sad, I hope Canon has something else to offer pretty soon.

I agree...but only because I'm REALLY cheap. I like the 30D upgrades. They addresses all the niggles people had with the 20D.

More importantly, perhaps this marks a turning point in the "more Mpix" mania. Canon stopped for a deep breath and addressed handling issues and let the Mpix thing go by.
I suspect they need the next generation processor before they can up the Mpix without sacrificing speed or noise. They will likely wait to debut that processor on a 1 series camera, so maybe we'll see it in the sucessors to the 30D and 5D.
I take the new 85mm as a positive sign as well. Could it be that Canon intends to slowly address some of the old primes? That would be a welcome trend.

Feb 21, 2006 at 03:05 PM

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p.6 #22 · finally 30D !!!

tuannie wrote:Upgrade if you are using the 300D/10D...

Sorry, I need more than this 30D has to offer to pull $1100 out of my pocket. My life will be no worse for having the 300D for another year, and maybe next year I'll have saved enough to get a significant upgrade -- like whatever succeeds the 5D.

Feb 21, 2006 at 03:07 PM

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p.6 #23 · finally 30D !!!

If I weren't holding out for a bigger viewfinder, I'd jump on the 30D. As it is, I'm sticking with my plan to pick up a used 1D in a month or two.

Feb 21, 2006 at 03:10 PM

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p.6 #24 · finally 30D !!!

Eventually, the 5D series will drop to 1800-2000 dollars (after the upcoming rebate, it's already looking like $2500)--probably within 18 months. It and It's successor (3d?), will be the direct competitor to the Dx00 cameras, I guess.

I always thought of the 20d as a competitor to the D100/D200, and not a competitor to the D70. I guess I was wrong.

I have to admit, I wasn't excited about the 5d for 3500 dollars--but I said back then, 2000-2500, and maybe it'd catch my eye. What is exciting, for me, is wondering what the 5d successor will be. It has a lot of room for upgrades.

I was a little let down with the 30d specs, but I know that if it was called a 20dn, I'd be more than happy with the new features--So, it's just a name, and I should be happy with the spot meter, iso incremements (and viewfinder readout, right?) and larger LCD.

Feb 21, 2006 at 03:16 PM

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p.6 #25 · finally 30D !!!

I think the 30D is great, having owned a 20D this new camera really addresses all the issues that one might have had with the camera.

The only thing I sort of don't get is why you can see the ISO changes but they're not shown in the viewfinder, seems like a weird decision on Canon's part.

I think Canon has a great lineup, but it is true that the price difference between the 30D and 5D is absolutely huge. I think Canon could release something in the 2000 price bracket, make it a 1.6 crop and not necessarily kill sales of either the 30D or the 5D.

But I think what Canon is going for is to eventually drop the 5D down to something like 2200-2500 at some point and release new 1series bodies.

Feb 21, 2006 at 03:16 PM


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