I see people are a little polarized by the new release... but I agree the 30D is not going to be a bad camera. Is it a revolution... prob not, is it going to be more usable than the 20D, almost certainly yes.
Was it every likely that the 5D (brand new in many ways) was going to come out just monthes before another revolution in it's line... prob not.
Lets see the new glass... should be interesting, don't think the 85L II is what I was looking for, hopefully the others excite.
I'm sticking with my 20D. I'm glad there is nothing tempting me to do a direct replacement... for an upgrade, the 1 series are there, we all just want are fav 1 series features for much less... that's life
Fantastic fantastic camera and MUCH MUCH more than an overpriced FF 20D
David
People always misquote me when I write that, probably as much my fault as well.
I've never had a real problem with the 5D other than the lack of spec for the price, or the price given the lack of spec.
Given that with the new rebate confirming a street price drop of almost 40% in just six months, can you honestly say I'm wrong?
Without the FF sensor, its a body that would sell for £100 more than the 20D. The markets obviously wised up that FF is a nice quality jump, but not a necessary one and brings with it compromises of its own.
With the 30D at £900 or so, £1200 is a fair price for the 5D and I genuinely believe that the yield issue given by Canon for the high prices is false. The 1DsII has high density and FF, the 5D just a larger 1DII type. Releasing it at £2500 was patently ridiculous.
I think reversly that time will tell Canon get it wrong. Imagine that this camera will stay for at least 18 month in the market,same as 10D and same as 20D. So a simple question after 1 year this camera with those capability worst for money ? For currently it replaces 20D with mimimum things and firmware things so what ? Usually cameras are produced for next following of years. And 30D is not looking for future !
Again, I still don't see how Canon got it wrong. Who is going to switch to Nikon? In Australia the Nikon costs $2899 body only. Point and shooters aren't going to switch. Enthusiasts/amateurs with Canon lenses aren't going to switch. Its just a differerent market segment.
Ok so some might. Big deal. Nikon has the same talk happening with people wanting a 35mm sensor.
There is simply NO disernable reason to want a big upgrade at this stage.
Sprout Crumble wrote:
People always misquote me when I write that, probably as much my fault as well.
I've never had a real problem with the 5D other than the lack of spec for the price, or the price given the lack of spec.
Given that with the new rebate confirming a street price drop of almost 40% in just six months, can you honestly say I'm wrong?
Without the FF sensor, its a body that would sell for £100 more than the 20D. The markets obviously wised up that FF is a nice quality jump, but not a necessary one and brings with it compromises of its own.
With the 30D at £900 or so, £1200 is a fair price for the 5D and I genuinely believe that the yield issue given by Canon for the high prices is false. The 1DsII has high density and FF, the 5D just a larger 1DII type. Releasing it at £2500 was patently ridiculous....Show more →
The 5D was pretty revolutionary when it was introduced so Canon pitched the price high - a little too high I agree, I bought mine back in October for £1999 and haven't regretted a penny. I'm actually thinking of buying a second with the new rebate.
The features of the camera are perfectly good without being exceptional but the image quality (when used with RAW and a good converter) is just astonishing, and that is really all I use to qualntify whether a camera is good or not.
This 30D upgrade is ok....but nothing more than that, it will probably be looking rather dated in 18 months.
The 30D has just been announced.. There are no comparisons or even sample shots of what the camera can do... So my suggestion is that we wait & see how it performs..
I will be waiting patiently for more details so I can make an informed decision. As an upgrade to my 300D it is an appealing camera!
itguru wrote:
The 30D has just been announced.. There are no comparisons or even sample shots of what the camera can do... So my suggestion is that we wait & see how it performs before writing it off..
I will be waiting patiently for more details so I can make an informed decision. As an upgrade to my 300D it is an appealing camera!
I don't think anyone is 'writing it off' I think some (not including myself) were expecting a lot more 'radical new features'
The image quality will inevitavbly be very, very similar to the 20D, except mow you have the (ludicrous) picture styles as well.
In your position it is an obvious and appealing upgrade, just make sure you choose 'faithful' mode
You know the good thing about them releasing jazzed up versions of existing cameras is that when they do have a genuinely useful technological advance they can release it right away without worrying about cutting the life cycle of models that are in the market - I imagine they don't have to sell nearly as many of the 30D/1DIIn to break even.
Well, I had hoped for a little more in the way of pixels, but all the other stuff is nice. 12mp would have sealed the deal as it were, but now I'll have to keep the 5D in the mix. Oh with $ to burn its tough to decide.
To extend the EOS 30D’s 750 shot *2 battery life and increase handling options, the camera is compatible with the BG-E2 battery grip. The BG-E2 takes two Lithium-Ion battery packs for up to 2,200 *3 frames or six AA batteries *4 in the supplied BGM-E2 battery magazine. For easy vertical shooting, the BG-E2 provides additional shutter release, main dial, AE lock/FE lock and AF point selection controls.
Sprout Crumble wrote:
'Relatively' slow focus. The old 1.2 is pretty snappy for most uses.
Hugely disappointed in Canon, yet again. A tiny tweak to the 1DmkII, an overpriced FF 20D and now a 20Dn with an overambitious name. Not exactly a gripping line-up of recent releases. Kind off get the impression its all about sheer money making at the moment at the expense of innovation with either minor tweaks or under specifying.
Wheres my APS-C 3D uber-cam, Canon?
As most of the improvements are tiny, can we assume a firmware upgrade will be made available a la D70s, Mr.Canon?
Of course not, something for nothing is against company policy. Can't believe I waited with baited breath for this. 1DmkII for me, no question....Show more →
DutchGuy wrote:
Looks like 8.2mp is the maximum for 1.6 crop at the moment. ISO 800 performance of the 20D seems to be much better than the D200
If you want more pixels and good high iso performance you have to go FF
Seems like it, doesn't it? Or maybe they wanted more of a return on investment on their 20D sensor; maybe Canon's and Nikon's release cycles aren't all that different after all - major upgrades don't happen every 18 months.
I must say for me personally it's a good thing they stayed at 8 megapixels (since a 1.3x sensor was an unrealistic expectation) - I'd rather have a clean 8 than a noisy 10. With the 30D and the 5D there's two cameras on the market that I like, so I don't have to upgrade anytime soon, since Canon isn't going to replace both of them at the same time. Guess I'll use my 350D till it breaks :-)
While that's good for me and my wallet, I certainly hope Canon are successful with this strategy of image quality over megapixels - it doesn't sound like a recipe for high sales.
Sensor improvements aside, what else did people want that wasn't addressed in the 30D? It sounds like a nice list of small improvements, and allegedly it even takes the 20D battery grip :-) The only thing that really disappoints me about the 30D is that there's still no always-on ISO display. D'oh.
Hm. I just went and read the announcements and specs. I for one am not at all dissapointed... but then again I'm not one of you gadget guys that likes to feel the need to upgrade my body every year
The 30D looks nice, and if my 20D ever has an accident, I'll scoop one up immediately as a few of those features are quite desireable, however it doesn't make me want to sell my 20D now to get one, and I am very pleased with that!
Huge dissappoint for me. I was a long time Canon user and just recently switched to Nikon. I am glad I made the switch because there is still nothing in the new cameras to keep me a Canon guy.
No one has realized this... but when canon users switch systems to Nikon and their Beloved D200... they will come back in the following months when Canon releases yet another new XXD or whatever... it is like releasing the line and reeling it again.... Canon is not stupid, they make cameras to make $$$
Whether people switch over to or away from canon, it is good business... more units sold!!!
Anyone think that just because the 30D is not over-ly superior to the D200, that will make Canon go bust is not looking at it long term...
Canon cannot "win" all the time....
So for those for are disappointed... dont worry, the next few big thing is just around the corner
Whats your point; that the 5D is great value compared to the most expensive DSLR around? Congratulations you've proved it. The actual point was that the 5D is overpriced for its spec and I stand by that (so's the 1DS2 to be honest...patently stupid price). As the street price has dropped 40% in the UK since its release 6 months ago, I'd say Canon agree with me.
The 5D has a 20D level specification at a near 1D price and the sensor alone is not justification for it. Thats my argument mate, I've never called into question the image quality of the 5D, just the level of improvement compared to the prices being asked for it.
