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Doug Quance
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p.3 #1 · Canon to Nikon - My thoughts.

Well you should have nothing to hide, then.

Stick your name in your siggy and give us a link to your www so we can admire your work.

And while you're at it... fix the spelling in your siggy. Leica wouldn't be happy with it.

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Jan 05, 2006 at 02:14 AM

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p.3 #2 · Canon to Nikon - My thoughts.

Tom Conte wrote:
Aaron,

Methinks there's a D200 in your future . . .

Tom

Oh Tom I've been fighting it big time. I've been waiting for Nikon to produce something like the D200. The D70 just didn't have it but this might be what get's me back to Nikon.

The D200 or the dumb canon fan base. I've never understood coming over to other forums and thumping your chest. A true pro takes photos.

Have a good night Tom.

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Jan 05, 2006 at 03:19 AM

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p.3 #3 · Canon to Nikon - My thoughts.

*chuckle

I remember somewhere someone talking about how "pro" goes further than getting paid for photography. Meaning it would encompass how one conducts themselves in a deeper sense of the word.

Serious attitudes with an antagonistic bend tend to speak more of ones need to qualify ones self, possibly a deep seeded inferiority complex. Who knows ... it sure tends to make take it with large helpings of salt.

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Jan 05, 2006 at 03:38 AM

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p.3 #4 · Canon to Nikon - My thoughts.

What is it with the "pro" attitude that some have to glop around? Are "pro" photographers disarming nuclear bombs or something? Let's see, no degree required, just an ability to get the shot. So, a garbage man would fall into the same "pro" category, he's getting paid for his work, for hanging dangerously off the back of the truck, in all kinds of weather too.

Let's see...
Are you a "pro" school teacher? No, it's just my hobby....
Are you a "pro" firefighter? No, I voluntarily put out my own fires, but one day.....
Are you a "pro" artist? Yes, I'm starving to death because nobody's buying my work, but by God I'm "pro"......
Are you a "pro" carpenter? No, I served a 4 year apprenticeship to become a Master Carpenter, but I can never be pro, I'm just a tradesman.....
Are you a "pro" Garbage Man? Heck yeah, I drive the truck....

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Jan 05, 2006 at 03:57 AM

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p.3 #5 · Canon to Nikon - My thoughts.

Jacko? You mean you aren't dismantling bombs? Shame on you - you should turn pro right away!

Pro can sure help us take ourselves more seriously when needed!

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Jan 05, 2006 at 04:03 AM

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p.3 #6 · Canon to Nikon - My thoughts.

I guess I have to channel Nick Lowe here

As I walk through this "pro" world
Searching for light in the darkness of ISO insanity
I ask myself, is all noise lost?
Is there only grain and hatred and misery?
And each time I feel like this inside
There's one thing I want to know
Oh, what's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?

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Jan 05, 2006 at 04:28 AM

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p.3 #7 · Canon to Nikon - My thoughts.

Have not used the D200 yet but I have used the 20D and own the 5D and 1D MK II and well the 20d and 5d are worlds apart...

to me (no offence to 20d owners) but I think that camera was a bit rushed out hense the plastic feel I have felt myself and heard about.

I think a fair comparison is the 5D and 200D.

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Jan 05, 2006 at 04:41 AM

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p.3 #8 · Canon to Nikon - My thoughts.

A true pro takes photos.

Right you are....

Two page spread, vertical, this month's Aspen Magazine:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3681679

Time, life-the year in pictures:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2145763&size=lg

Future NG-Adventure article:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3799192&size=lg

More later....

Don't get miffed and defensive guys, that is very dpReview like, right?

I mean....much of my best stuff was on Nikon gear, full frame film, but Nikon none the less. Now I use a different beast because I need my vision intact. If Nikon gave me a reason to switch back, I would. That does not mean you are less than anyone for deciding that what they offer now is good enough for you. It's just that from my neck of the woods and the guys I work in and around, well....we can't believe it is the year 2006 and Nikon does not have a true 35mm camera to match their sweet glass.

They will get it out at some point. In the mean time, I will keep my vision intact by other means.

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Jan 05, 2006 at 04:46 AM

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p.3 #9 · Canon to Nikon - My thoughts.

Daniel,

You raise the specter of dpreview, and after a few 15 posts have reduced this forum to that level... almost.

I don't see how your posts add anything to the Nikon forum on FM.

I'm an amateur at photography. I have a day job, I don't brandish it (wtf, go google it). Many who do it for the love of it make damn good images. Jack's point is dead on: That you're a "pro" and use a 5D, therefore the 5D is "better" than ___ is a non-sequitor.

Tom

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Jan 05, 2006 at 04:55 AM

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p.3 #10 · Canon to Nikon - My thoughts.

Tom Conte wrote:
Daniel,

You raise the specter of dpreview, and after a few 15 posts have reduced this forum to that level... almost.

I don't see how your posts add anything to the Nikon forum on FM.

I'm an amateur at photography. I have a day job, I don't brandish it (wtf, go google it). Many who do it for the love of it make damn good images. Jack's point is dead on: That you're a "pro" and use a 5D, therefore the 5D is "better" than ___ is a non-sequitor.

Both camera companies make great gear, many pros use it at all levels with quite a few different models. I really don't think much is added to this forum by incessantly comparing Nikon to Canon and putting down Canon's gear on here. You gain nothing but some ray of sunshine on your egos.

I am interested in Nikon gear, that is why I come here. But when baseless crud starts to fly about a piece of gear I use, I am going to chime in. And you know what? I can. I kept one FM3A and a 24mm 2.0 AIS because for many things I do, it can not be beat.

So then I post some work because I start to hear that I am not backing up my words with pictures and that is STILL not good enough for you.

Read this again: I love Nikon gear and would switch back if they gave me what I had before, their system working the way they designed it to.

Since when is there a law against a person who uses Canon in coming over here and reading about Nikon experiences? If your peers talk unfounded cr@p, you are going to hear from me once and awhile, plain and simple.

The D200 might have kept me with Nikon a little longer if the timing had been different. But back in 10/2003, I was told by a good source that Canon would come out with 3 more FF cameras and Nikon none in 3 years, so I had to switch.

Now, it is up to you, the reader, to extract some good out of this post and turn the tide from that of a classic dpReview one. If you reply in the defensive, close minded fashion that others have on here, then it is you, not me, my friend, that is lessening the quality of your experience on this site.

By the way, I have been fighting a cold I must have caught on my flight home a week ago. If I had not had it, I would not be on here so much and would be less "Feisty" about all this.

I'll give it, you, and me a rest. Now let's see what that D200 can do..

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Jan 05, 2006 at 05:12 AM

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p.3 #11 · Canon to Nikon - My thoughts.

I consider myself priviledged to have met some really well known photographers, and I've had a few pro photographer friends over the years. One of the things that struck me about them was their humility as it regarded their work, and how they would mentor people (like me

Jan 05, 2006 at 05:19 AM

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p.3 #12 · Canon to Nikon - My thoughts.

Daniel,

Glad to see your changing your tune.

I re-read what caused you to post over here, and where's the "cr@p"?

Tom Conte wrote:
If Canon were to come out with a detachable-grip 1-series class camera that was FF, I would be tempted back to C land. But I doubt that will happen any time soon. The 5D is their interpretation of the needs of a serious amateur like me. For me, they missed the mark.

You replied:

Film_Ruled wrote:
Don't kid your self guys, the 5D is a killer, well built, well designed pro camera. I have some 16,000 frames on mine now and will pickup a 2nd one soon. I use it day in day out for my work, aka: Day job and for me, there is no better camera. Light, fast and fabulous full frame!

And I added:

Tom Conte wrote:
I emphatically disagree, but to each his own. For me, the 5D has a prosumer build with the same body in essence as a 20D. The VF is not 100% coverage, and yet they deleted the pop-up flash to, I suppose, make it appear more "pro". I think that's cynical marketing on their part. I wanted more info in the viewfinder, like Nikon provides, e.g., shooting mode (PASM), ISO, etc. I wanted more switches and less menu diving. I wanted a camera with a frigging metal bottom, and a solid CF card door, not plastic, for $3k.

So for me the 5D was a killer alright. It killed my loyalty to Canon. I shot 146 frames with it and sold it at a loss.

Tom

Dude, I was stating my opinion and qualified it as such, clearly, and numerous times.

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Jan 05, 2006 at 05:22 AM

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p.3 #13 · Canon to Nikon - My thoughts.

jacko wrote:
I consider myself priviledged to have met some really well known photographers, and I've had a few pro photographer friends over the years. One of the things that struck me about them was their humility as it regarded their work, and how they would mentor people (like me

) to fulfill their vision with whatever camera. One of my dearest photographer friends (who is quite an old gentleman now) was one of the top nature photographers in the world. It didn't matter to him one whit about your gear, he would patiently mentor and teach, whether you had an Instamatic or a view camera. I've always appreciated them very much. It's fun to go out on a shoot, and everyone has different cameras, yet we're all into the shoot, not the gear. Go figure.

I agree with this. I used to teach a Summer workshop up here and it was actually nice to know both systems well enough to help. I get asked a lot which is better, Nikon or Canon. Honestly, I say both are just as good, just look over what each system offers and take the plunge.

Jan 05, 2006 at 05:31 AM


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