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Terry D
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p.1 #1 · Need Capture Expertise

I posted this problem I am having a few days back and got a few suggestions which, after exploring a bit more just now, still do not correct the problem I am having. The problem being, when I make my adjustments in Capture Ver 4.3.2 and am satisfied with the results, I have always done the following with NO previous problems ( and coming up on almost 1 1/2 years of use )

1) Save As - I save as a Tiff in a specific folder "Processed Tiffs"
2) Hit the "X" box to close the file and proceed with the next image

3) AND THIS IS WHERE I AM HAVING A PROBLEM ... I have always had to respond to this prompt when I clicked on the X box (close window box) :

"Save changes to E:\2005 DIGITAL IMAGES__\NIKON D2X Save\Folder\File.NEF?

However, now it just closes without a prompt and all my settings are lost. I can save the settings separately, which is a pain, but I never had to until this last upgrade.

I've double check the OPTIONS and SETTINGS for a clue as to what I may have forgotten or what might have changed... so I've done my homework.

What am I missing here? Sure would appreciate a solution here.

Terry

Edited on Oct 26, 2005 at 12:45 AM

Oct 24, 2005 at 12:58 AM

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Terry, I don't know what the solution is except a fix from Nikon. I've tried the same procedure, and it does not prompt to save the file. It looks to me that you'll have to save the file as a nef before saving as a tiff.

Jack

Edited on Oct 26, 2005 at 12:45 AM

Oct 24, 2005 at 02:13 AM

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yep I have the same problem , I have to hit the little save button Before I do a save as tiff and open in CS a stupid glitch in my workflow

J

Edited on Oct 26, 2005 at 12:45 AM

Oct 24, 2005 at 03:08 AM

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jacko wrote:
Terry, I don't know what the solution is except a fix from Nikon. I've tried the same procedure, and it does not prompt to save the file. It looks to me that you'll have to save the file as a nef before saving as a tiff.

Jack

So it isn't just me then... whew! Well Ok then Jack, that makes me feel a little better. Some times I feel like I'm loosing it here... you just don't know what is causing the changes. Thanks for getting back to me. I can sleep better now

T

Edited on Oct 26, 2005 at 12:45 AM

Oct 24, 2005 at 03:25 AM

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jmcfadden wrote:
yep I have the same problem , I have to hit the little save button Before I do a save as tiff and open in CS a stupid glitch in my workflow

J

OK John, we all agree then. I can work arround it, but it sure slows things down. I hope THEY are working on a fix for the fix

Thanks much for the come back.

Terry

Edited on Oct 26, 2005 at 12:45 AM

Oct 24, 2005 at 03:27 AM

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I've got 4.3.0 and it does the same thing IF I save as a tiff. If I want to save the changes to the nef I have to save the nef. However, I save as a tiff because I don't want to alter the original nef. I like to keep them "as shot". I may want to rework them later in a different manner. I think that this follows the concept of a digital negative. I got the changes saved as a tiff (and backed up), why would I need to save the changes as a nef also? This attribute of the software actually simplifies my work flow. This might be what Nikon had in mind.

Edited on Oct 26, 2005 at 12:45 AM

Oct 24, 2005 at 04:13 AM

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I guess it's a matter of preference. Most of the time I do like to save my edits to the nef, then I can always go back to it. NC isn't actually rewriting the linear data in the nef, but the 'instructions' for raw conversion. I guess it would be nice to have an option that could be turned on/off.

FWIW, multi-image mode does ask to save the changes to the nef, but is much too cumbersome with a large number of files.

Edited on Oct 26, 2005 at 12:45 AM

Oct 24, 2005 at 04:32 AM

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jacko wrote:
I guess it's a matter of preference. Most of the time I do like to save my edits to the nef, then I can always go back to it. NC isn't actually rewriting the linear data in the nef, but the 'instructions' for raw conversion. I guess it would be nice to have an option that could be turned on/off.

FWIW, multi-image mode does ask to save the changes to the nef, but is much too cumbersome with a large number of files.

Hey, guys, this may be a stupid question, but why do you all save as TIFF? The files are really big, and I can always convert one off's to jpg or TIFF (haven't ever done that yet). I much prefer to keep mine as NEF's and only convert them when I really need an individual image as jpg (like when I want to share the image). Otherwise, I can send the NEF directly to PS anyway. So why TIFF?

I'm probably missing something, so thanks in advance.

Gerald

Edited on Oct 26, 2005 at 12:45 AM

Oct 24, 2005 at 07:02 PM

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Rhyder: when you save the changed .NEF, you do not alter the original data--you just save a list of changes with the file, which you can then use (or change) again in any way you like. Just like the camera settings on your NEFs. You'll notice that the changes are not applied to the image data when you open a file you've saved with D-Light or Noise reduction--it takes a while!

Gerald, I guess some of us prefer to convert our NEFs in Capture Editor.

I haven't run into this problem, but I always save my edited NEFs before saving as TIFFs. When I do any PS post pro, I save the files as PSDs and delete the TIFFs. All the data I need to re-create the TIFFS is in the NEFs. This works as a bookmark to let me know where a given image is in my workflow.

Edited on Oct 26, 2005 at 12:45 AM

Oct 25, 2005 at 01:30 AM

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chemprof wrote:
jacko wrote:
I guess it's a matter of preference. Most of the time I do like to save my edits to the nef, then I can always go back to it. NC isn't actually rewriting the linear data in the nef, but the 'instructions' for raw conversion. I guess it would be nice to have an option that could be turned on/off.

FWIW, multi-image mode does ask to save the changes to the nef, but is much too cumbersome with a large number of files.

Hey, guys, this may be a stupid question, but why do you all save as TIFF? The files are really big, and I can always convert one off's to jpg or TIFF (haven't ever done that yet). I much prefer to keep mine as NEF's and only convert them when I really need an individual image as jpg (like when I want to share the image). Otherwise, I can send the NEF directly to PS anyway. So why TIFF?

I'm probably missing something, so thanks in advance.

Gerald

Once you have converted a nef, you save it as a jpeg?? Whether I've transferred an image from NC or converted it in ACR, I either save it as a tiff or PSD file, because either one is lossless, jpeg is not. If you're going to be doing multiple edits and saves, it would have to be a lossless format. Further, if you want to continue to work in 24bit color, tiff or psd is the way to go. FWIW, a tiff and a psd file are virtually identical, adobe just stores more information in a psd than in a tiff. Anyhoo, once I've finished processing an image, typically for me the image is destined for print, so I convert the image to the destination print profile and save it as a tiff or psd. Point is, I don't have to 'redo' it, I can always just print it. If my output is for web, the image gets a completely different treatment, and only then will I save it as a jpeg. I still have my master nef, my master tiff, and if I've printed it, the master print file. Also, the print file is saved as 8 bit, because printers can't handle anything greater. That's my way

Jack

Edited on Oct 26, 2005 at 12:45 AM

Oct 25, 2005 at 01:41 AM

Terry D
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rhyder wrote:
I've got 4.3.0 and it does the same thing IF I save as a tiff. If I want to save the changes to the nef I have to save the nef. However, I save as a tiff because I don't want to alter the original nef. I like to keep them "as shot". I may want to rework them later in a different manner. I think that this follows the concept of a digital negative. I got the changes saved as a tiff (and backed up), why would I need to save the changes as a nef also? This attribute of the software actually simplifies my work flow. This might be what Nikon had in mind.

When you save as a NEF, you are not altering the original, only a set of changes that overlay the image.

When you load the NEF back into Capture you should see the parameters boxes and the green lights "ON" for the changes that you made, which can be shut off and you are back to square one.... presto. Try this on an image that isn't important JUST TO BE SURE... I am most confident that you will be OK.

As for a workaround, right now I am saving as a NEF and then reloading it and then "Saving As" a TIFF. I liked the old way better, but the end result is the same I guess. Just didn't have to think so much

the strain, the strain

Terry

Edited on Oct 26, 2005 at 12:45 AM

Oct 25, 2005 at 02:55 AM

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Yep, just double check that last statement and it works. Alter a NEF file however you like, Notice the GREEN Sudo LED's on the right side of the Effects Menu Bars, and the Green or Red "Check Marks" on the left side of the Effects Menu Bars.

These LED's are 'Dark Grey when you haven't altered anything in that particular Effect Menu. They turn 'Green' when you change ANY parameter in the Effects Menus.

Save As a .NEF and close the file and program.

Reboot the program and reload the previous NEF file and the LEDs will only turn green on the previous changes telling you what you had changed. If you want to see the original unaltered NEF just click on the Green Check marks and you have extinguished any changes to the original NEF. To my knowledge, the original data is not altered. That's what Nikon tells us anyway.

Pretty Neat... an ON and OFF switch ..........maybe you already knew that, but ..... maybe not. FWIW

Terry

Edited on Oct 26, 2005 at 12:45 AM

Oct 25, 2005 at 03:26 AM

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I've been using the various versions on NC since 4/2-004 and I always save as TIFF to a specific file.

I have never ever had a box open up asking me if I wanted to save the changes to the original file? I always do "Save As" and I always get out of the file by clicking on the little X in the upper right hand corner.

Why would you want to change the original NEF negative anyway

??

I simply save an image adjustment file in the same folder as the NC Processed TIFF files for that particular shoot / day.

Edited on Oct 26, 2005 at 12:45 AM

Oct 25, 2005 at 09:27 AM

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jacko wrote:
chemprof wrote:
jacko wrote:
I guess it's a matter of preference. Most of the time I do like to save my edits to the nef, then I can always go back to it. NC isn't actually rewriting the linear data in the nef, but the 'instructions' for raw conversion. I guess it would be nice to have an option that could be turned on/off.

FWIW, multi-image mode does ask to save the changes to the nef, but is much too cumbersome with a large number of files.

Hey, guys, this may be a stupid question, but why do you all save as TIFF? The files are really big, and I can always convert one off's to jpg or TIFF (haven't ever done that yet). I much prefer to keep mine as NEF's and only convert them when I really need an individual image as jpg (like when I want to share the image). Otherwise, I can send the NEF directly to PS anyway. So why TIFF?

I'm probably missing something, so thanks in advance.

Gerald

Once you have converted a nef, you save it as a jpeg?? Whether I've transferred an image from NC or converted it in ACR, I either save it as a tiff or PSD file, because either one is lossless, jpeg is not. If you're going to be doing multiple edits and saves, it would have to be a lossless format. Further, if you want to continue to work in 24bit color, tiff or psd is the way to go. FWIW, a tiff and a psd file are virtually identical, adobe just stores more information in a psd than in a tiff. Anyhoo, once I've finished processing an image, typically for me the image is destined for print, so I convert the image to the destination print profile and save it as a tiff or psd. Point is, I don't have to 'redo' it, I can always just print it. If my output is for web, the image gets a completely different treatment, and only then will I save it as a jpeg. I still have my master nef, my master tiff, and if I've printed it, the master print file. Also, the print file is saved as 8 bit, because printers can't handle anything greater. That's my way

Jack

No. I only save as a jpg if I'm going to use it as a screen background or give it to someone else (presumably who can't read my NEF's). As as rule I leave everything as NEF's. I DO save some PS files as psd's if I've made extensive changes. I actually never payed atttention to size because I don't do it very often. I just looked, and it does appear to be the same as the what the TIFF would be, so perhaps I might as well use a TIFF, since it's more portable.

Gerald

Edited on Oct 26, 2005 at 12:45 AM

Oct 25, 2005 at 10:32 AM

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Typically, I only process those shots that I'm eventually hoping to sell...unless I've got some cute everyday shots that I simply want to upload to pbase for web use.

I always save a TIFF in NC, simply because I know I'm going to be using this file over and over again.

Once brought into PS, I duplicate the file and never touch the original TIFF unless I mess something up.

As I print on several different types of papers, every-time I ready something for print, I convert to the paper profile, with the final size and sharpening already applied.

For an image which I hope to sell, I end up with the original NEF, an image adjustment file so that I can faithfully reproduce my original processing if I want to, a master TIFF, and then I save what I call PRINT PSD files...those final profiled files for various types of paper / sizes, etc. {SD files seem to be lots smaller size than corresponding TIFF files, otherwise I'd save them all as one format.

It does take up space...it does take some time....but I'm not having to try and duplicate everything whenever someone needs a specific image. I simply open the correct file and print it on the paper for which it's profiled.

Edited on Oct 26, 2005 at 12:45 AM

Oct 25, 2005 at 03:07 PM

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??

I simply save an image adjustment file in the same folder as the NC Processed TIFF files for that particular shoot / day.

Jim

it is a Very powerful feature to over write the original NEF settings. You are Not however ever really changing Any data in the file . It is the same as Assigning a Profile in CS versus Changing the image data as in Image>Mode > Convert in CS or Edit>Convert to Profile in CS2 .

J

Edited on Oct 26, 2005 at 12:45 AM

Oct 25, 2005 at 03:22 PM

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soonipi1957 wrote:
I've been using the various versions on NC since 4/2-004 and I always save as TIFF to a specific file.

I have never ever had a box open up asking me if I wanted to save the changes to the original file? I always do "Save As" and I always get out of the file by clicking on the little X in the upper right hand corner.
Why would you want to change the original NEF negative anyway
I simply save an image adjustment file in the same folder as the NC Processed TIFF files for that particular shoot / day.

Why would you want to change the original NEF negative anyway

??

The answer... you don't.

Jim this feature is as John Mc says, it is really like a LAYER in Photoshop, only IMO, more powerful because it tells me at a later date EXACTLY what I have done in the way of enhancements to the original NEF so that I may duplicate it or slightly modify it from my original processing of the image while not having to start from square one.

Of course I have the TIFF, but maybe after looking at it I have a change of mind about the "Sharpening" of the image... I've over sharpened on some occasions... I go back to the original NEF and back it off slighly, or in a few cases, increased it a bit.

I don't have to take any notes on what I did, like in PS, the modified NEF settings only are saved .... just the settings. I like this feature a lot. I have NO idea of exactly what I may have done in PS/CS unless I make STICKY NOTES in the program and document every move and setting........don't have to do that in CAPTURE.

Terry

Oct 26, 2005 at 12:45 AM


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