Woops. Well in true Canon fashion, they will firstly ignore the problem, then they will say it doesn't exist, then eventually, just as the 3D is about to be announced, they will send a firmware update to fix it.
This has to have been part of the design, just not well though through, unlike a real problem like the 20D was plagued with, they may just say that this is part of the design now like it or lump it.
OMG!!
if you set to "C" mode, then use the settings as stored.
if you want to use a different A and EC then switch back to "A" mode.
this is completly ANAL. this camera is still not intended as a full Pro body, so let's just get over the "we gotta find something wrong" routine.
i guess i'm just aging and getting grumpy, but never have i seen so many people here who have some of the best photo technology in the tips of their hands and just can't do nothing more with it than find a freakin flaw of some kind.
just what do you people do to your cars?
pull all the plugs out and fill each cylinder with nitro to see if it'll go BANG?
I disagree totally. At that price there is no excuse for stupid design. The C mode becomes a p&s camera with this flaw. You can't change anything. It might as well not be there. A lot of people were excited about this mode for use with MLU, now they might as well not bother.
I think there is a difference between searching out flaws and discovering that an entire shooting mode is about as useful as a disposable p&s where you can't change any of the settings including iso.
I specifically wanted the C mode for street shooting. The idea would be to set it for RAW+small jpg and the jpg set for B&W so I would be capturing RAW but get a B&W preview. I would use Av and adjust the iso as needed. I don't want to have to reset the iso every time I see a fleeting moment because the camera had gone to sleep!
Michael-M wrote:
OMG!!
if you set to "C" mode, then use the settings as stored.
if you want to use a different A and EC then switch back to "A" mode.
this is completly ANAL. this camera is still not intended as a full Pro body, so let's just get over the "we gotta find something wrong" routine.
i guess i'm just aging and getting grumpy, but never have i seen so many people here who have some of the best photo technology in the tips of their hands and just can't do nothing more with it than find a freakin flaw of some kind.
just what do you people do to your cars?
pull all the plugs out and fill each cylinder with nitro to see if it'll go BANG?...Show more →
Interesting...I just got bit by this bug. It's real and it's a problem for me. The 5D goes to sleep REAL fast. Having to reset the customized custom setting is a real PITRA.
Edited by Bill Ravens on Oct 12, 2005 at 09:15 PM GMT
Wow, the Canon Army is so f'ing predictable - nothing to see here, move along, Canon makes no mistakes, there is no man behind the curtain. This is a stupid design, Canon should fix it. Would you expect your AV, TV or Manual settings to be reset to what they were set at when you first turned the camera on after it goes into sleep mode? Of course not!
Sam Bennett wrote:
Would you expect your AV, TV or Manual settings to be reset to what they were set at when you first turned the camera on after it goes into sleep mode? Of course not!
that's a ludicrous statement if there ever was one.
"C" mode is designed to keep the input you stored.....kapeesh?
but what you are saying is that "C" mode should allow you to set it up to retain all the info you asked it to store for when in use, and then if you change something without saving it as a new setting, be able to come back to the last setting after the camera goes into sleep or you shut down and then power up (with me so far?), so then what is the point of having set memory settings in the first place? and if so, how do you get back to the original setting?
Michael-M wrote:
that's a ludicrous statement if there ever was one.
"C" mode is designed to keep the input you stored.....kapeesh?
but what you are saying is that "C" mode should allow you to set it up to retain all the info you asked it to store for when in use, and then if you change something without saving it as a new setting, be able to come back to the last setting after the camera goes into sleep or you shut down and then power up (with me so far?), so then what is the point of having set memory settings in the first place? and if so, how do you get back to the original setting?
"Going to sleep" is a power-saving function, and by it's very nature is designed for situations where you're not shooting continually, but will be shooting often - it is a completely different situation than "powering off", which is designed for situations where you're putting the camera away. It makes total intuitive sense that the "sleep" case would retain current settings, while "power off" may retain the "Custom" settings.
Sam Bennett wrote:
"Going to sleep" is a power-saving function, and by it's very nature is designed for situations where you're not shooting continually, but will be shooting often - it is a completely different situation than "powering off", which is designed for situations where you're putting the camera away. It makes total intuitive sense that the "sleep" case would retain current settings, while "power off" may retain the "Custom" settings.
ummm, OK.......kinda what i expected for your reply.
you seem to not know what you are talking about, and you did not in anyway answer any of the questions set forth to you....next contender please
Michael-M wrote:
ummm, OK.......kinda what i expected for your reply.
you seem to not know what you are talking about, and you did not in anyway answer any of the questions set forth to you....next contender please
Did you bother reading my reply, Michael? I understand the function of the Custom feature on the 5D, it isn't a terribly complex concept to understand. But then there is the reality of how people will want to use it. It is an option on the mode dial, not a menu option. It is perfectly reasonable for people like Michael Tapes and Reichman to expect the settings in "C" mode to be preserved A) while they're shooting (duh) and B) after they resume shooting after the camera "sleeps" (which they may or may not be aware of).
What else do I need to answer? Whether I have a 5D? You know the answer to that one, so I didn't feel the need to engage in a sophomoric game of rhetoric.
I don't have a 5D to try it,. but I wonder if this would work:
1) let's say you've set up 'C' on your 5D for landscape shooting, something like 'M' mode, 1/20 f/11, ISO 100, MLU.
2) You switch the camera to 'C' to recall your custom settings
3) You immediately switch the camera from 'C' to 'M'. Does the camera keep all the custom settings you just recalled? If it goes to sleep in 'M' does it wake up with the last used settings or the factory default settings?
I do have to say that the way Sam describes above is the way that it should work, but I'd be happy to have 'C' mode at all - beats however many button pushes it takes to apply custom settings on the 1-series cams.
"you seem to not know what you are talking about, and you did not in anyway answer any of the questions set forth to you....next contender please "
You have some serious problems, guy. Someone on this board has already attested to the fact that this is a problem he discovered while shooting, and you are arguing back in what is an obvious and transparent attempt at trying to convince yourself of a justified purchase? Why are you so threatened? Do you get rebate points for defending Canon?
One doesn't need to even own a 5d to understand how this could be a problem. Sleep mode on a camera, as with a computer, is supposed to be a seamless power-saving function. That is, though the camera is taking a power-saving nap, the camera is considered and expected to be "on". It makes PERFECT sense, then, that someone who happens to be using a custom setting and then changes the setting, should expect to use the changed setting even if the camera takes a power-nap.
It may or may not be a design flaw, but after you learn it you'll not forget it. It's just one of those idiosyncrasies you'll understand and work with. Undoubtedly had canon made the other equally valid programming choice (retain current settings rather than saved settings), people would complain that the stupid "Custom" setting doesn't even bother saving your custom settings, but just keeps what you've used last! Bah! Useless piece of crap 5D! etc etc.
The 5D white paper says the saved settings are restored when you turn the dial to "C". If the settings are restored at any other time, that sounds to me like a bug. (I haven't read the manaul yet because I don't actually use this feature.)
The problem here is that Michael Reichmann can't decide if this a bug or a feature and now everybody is all supset because they're afraid it might be a feature and it will never get fixed.
Solution: Don't worry about what Michael Reichmann said. Use some common sense and figure it out for yourself.
digdug wrote:
"you seem to not know what you are talking about, and you did not in anyway answer any of the questions set forth to you....next contender please "
You have some serious problems, guy. Someone on this board has already attested to the fact that this is a problem he discovered while shooting, and you are arguing back in what is an obvious and transparent attempt at trying to convince yourself of a justified purchase? Why are you so threatened? Do you get rebate points for defending Canon?
One doesn't need to even own a 5d to understand how this could be a problem. Sleep mode on a camera, as with a computer, is supposed to be a seamless power-saving function. That is, though the camera is taking a power-saving nap, the camera is considered and expected to be "on". It makes PERFECT sense, then, that someone who happens to be using a custom setting and then changes the setting, should expect to use the changed setting even if the camera takes a power-nap. ...Show more →
no sir, you are the one with ADD...........go back and reread, he doesn't even own the 5D.....i do. and what i was referring to is his description of how sleep mode works...........flame me if you will, but i know what i speak. the work around for this is to just simply extend the time before the camera goes into sleep, or disable it and carry a spare battery..........sure it's not something that some will overlook, but this whole thread is about how people just gotta find a flaw in something, sorta the way you came upon me without even knowing the true intent of the previous conversation.........
