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p.1 #1 · First head shot (C&C + black&white help!)


my wife needs a new head shot for her community theater auditions. so i rented a 50mm 1.8 lens from tempe camera (they didn't have the 85mm in stock and my other lens starts at f3.5)

light: cloudy afternoon coming in through unbleached muslin blinds

here is one of the better shots, but i'm having a ton of trouble turning it into black and white. this one was done by decomposing into RGB and mixing some of the green (50%ish - i use the gimp) into the red channel (tossed the blue channel):

http://henri.pholder.com/transform/p/134717/800x600/jill-4124-bw-2.jpg

original pic:

http://henri.pholder.com/transform/p/134805/800x600/jill-4124-color.jpg

here is another one i liked, but i feel i was too close to her with the 50mm lens:

http://henri.pholder.com/transform/p/134718/800x600/jill-4108-bw.jpg

i would love to hear some thoughts on how to make the b&w pop more (but without highlighting her freckles! that's a demand of the model....)

thanks

henri

* please feel free to edit and repost the pics

Nikon D70, 50mm f1.8



Sep 24, 2005 at 04:38 PM
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p.1 #2 · First head shot (C&C + black&white help!)


Hi....easiest thing is to just re-shoot it. It cannot be adequately saved as you have done it. It isn't sharp.....it isn't in focus.....I'll e-mail you an edited version.....but it doesn't cut it. Bob


Sep 24, 2005 at 05:52 PM
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p.1 #3 · First head shot (C&C + black&white help!)


I would reshoot it, and shoot in portrait mode, rather than landscape mode!

One of my favorite ways to convert to B&W for portraits is: Change mode to LAB. Select L channel, convert to grayscale. Duplicate background layer, change blending mode to soft light. Then, play with the opacity of the top layer until you see the effect you like!

Toine



Sep 24, 2005 at 08:58 PM
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p.1 #4 · First head shot (C&C + black&white help!)


thanks for the feedback. i can and will reshoot.

reshoot questions:

is the light ok?

should i shoot against a darker background?


Bob:

you can see the full sized pic here: full sized pic this is a rented lens, so i have very little experiance with it. i took that pic at f2.2 to get a bit more leeway with regards to fucus (and at 1/80, to hide any shake, captured in raw mode). looks to me like focus caught the middle of the nose, rather than her left eye.

advice on how to get a sharper shot?

Tione:

i'll take the next one in portrait mode, problem with the 50mm is that i can't get close enough for her to fill up the frame without distorting (forhead looks big etc) so i figured since i'm going to crop anyways....

will mess with the LAB method.


thanks!

henri



Sep 24, 2005 at 09:28 PM
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p.1 #5 · First head shot (C&C + black&white help!)


ok, Henri......the lens needs a smaller aperture....say f/8 or so to get the depth of field. To get a reasonable shutter speed you simply have to add more light to the set up......maybe shoot it open shade outdoors and you should be able to go 400 iso with out quality loss. This ought to be a workable combination for you. Oh...I would not bother to shoot RAW....no advantage in this case that I can see...cheers,...Bob


Sep 24, 2005 at 09:54 PM
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p.1 #6 · First head shot (C&C + black&white help!)


Although a reshoot would be best - here's my take on the B&W conversion. I used Greg Gorman's approach (found on his site in the learning area). It's a "chocolate brown" look. I also added a vignette and a center brightening. BTW, I think the square crop works for this image - there's a nice diagonal flow from lower left to upper right IMO.

http://www.joemarques.com/upload_images/Test/jill-4124-bw.jpg



Sep 24, 2005 at 10:02 PM
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p.1 #7 · First head shot (C&C + black&white help!)


Joe:

thanks a lot! that really looks worlds better than my b&w conversion.

found the pdf on Greg Gorman's site, will try it out tomorrow.

any advice on a reshoot?

Bob:

f8? i'll try it.

thanks again

henri



Sep 24, 2005 at 11:54 PM
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p.1 #8 · First head shot (C&C + black&white help!)


Ranger099, I am loving the photo with the chocolate brown effect! Looks much better! Do you have the link to the site where you learned this method?


Sep 25, 2005 at 01:46 AM
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p.1 #9 · First head shot (C&C + black&white help!)


Edit - Yea Rangers is awesome!

Edited to remove less than worthy post.



Sep 25, 2005 at 02:29 AM
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p.1 #10 · First head shot (C&C + black&white help!)


Joe, your rendition, including the square crop is perfect, and the eyes are now plenty sharp. What did you do there, add some selective USM? No reshoot necessary. Henri should dupe your retouch exactly, and it will be fine... as is the subject!


Sep 25, 2005 at 04:28 AM
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p.1 #11 · First head shot (C&C + black&white help!)


I had a play with this too:
http://www.users.on.net/~timfischer/face.jpg

Converted with the channel mixer in photoshop, 60% red, 60% green, -12% blue.

Started by duplicating the background layer, applying a 30% USM with a radius of 90 to increase contrast a bit, setting the layer opacity to around 20-30% and merging down.Then I smoothed over some freckles just a little with a new layer with a mild gaussian blur, which had a mask applied so that only a few areas on the cheeks were softened. Sharpening applied to the layer beneath the blur layer, then adjusted with a curve as below, which was applied as an adjustment layer at 30% opacity.
http://www.users.on.net/~timfischer/curve.jpg



Sep 25, 2005 at 05:21 AM
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p.1 #12 · First head shot (C&C + black&white help!)


Here are my attempts:
I converted to BW using calcuations. Settings were
Gray/Blue/Screen/35% opacity

I then did levels adjustments and a little bit of burning and dodging:



and this is with a little toning (I used the 'Lazlo' method, but more subtle).



Edited by JD Anderson on Sep 25, 2005 at 11:30 PM GMT



Sep 25, 2005 at 11:04 AM
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p.1 #13 · First head shot (C&C + black&white help!)


Thanks for the kind words to all who enjoyed my version.

To cubestwin - here's the link to the pdf on the B&W conversion:
http://www.gormanphotography.com/bw_conversion.pdf

To Steve - I worked with the original jpeg he posted and the sharpness was there. I'm guessing he lost it on resizing for web. I did a basic USM.

To other conversions (including the OP) - I'm not crazy about such dark lips on a blonde woman. Keep the lips lighter.



Sep 25, 2005 at 09:30 PM





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