As I went thru 5D specs, again I am disappointed by the fact
that ISO sensitivity is not displayed on the viewfinder info
status bar, the same as 300D, 350XT and 20D.
It happened to me quite often that I forgot to set the ISO back after
previous dim light shooting.
Without any ISO display on the viewfinder, and without applying
self discipline to recheck the ISO again everytime before shooting,
nor set it back afterwards, it's no wonder to have a lot of noise
bestowed from time to time.
Why only 1D's got that luxury?
Does Canon listen to its customer?
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5D Viewfinder info:
• AF points
• Focus confirmation light
• Shutter speed
• Aperture
• Manual exposure
• AE Lock
• Exposure compensation amount
• AEB level
• Partial metering area
• Flash ready
• Red-eye reduction lamp on
• High-speed sync
• FE Lock
• Flash compensation amount
• Warnings
• Maximum burst for continuous shooting
• Buffer space
peppue wrote:
As I went thru 5D specs, again I am disappointed by the fact
that ISO sensitivity is not displayed on the viewfinder info
status bar, the same as 300D, 350XT and 20D.
It happened to me quite often that I forgot to set the ISO back after
previous dim light shooting.
Without any ISO display on the viewfinder, and without applying
self discipline to recheck the ISO again everytime before shooting,
nor set it back afterwards, it's no wonder to have a lot of noise
bestowed from time to time.
Why only 1D's got that luxury?
Does Canon listen to its customer?
Didn't you see the new product annoucements today? Canon will come out with an aftermarket 'User Memory Enhancement Stick' that will solve your problem. Every time you forget to check your settings, you can just smack yourself across the forehead with the User Memory Enhancement Stick and, after a few repetitions, you're almost certain to start checking your iso BEFORE you shoot.
(124.95 in Wood, Wimberly will offer one in Aluminum, Magnesium and Carbon fibre for 628.99--but you'll have to buy thier grip for an additional 160.99 to use it)
I wish that the ISO was in the viewfinder of my 20D, too, but there are reasons why the 1-series bodies cost $4000 and $8000 if you want full frame. I find it amazing how people, with each new DSLR that is introduced seem to want all of the features and abilities of a $4000 or $8000 camera, but they want them
in a $1500 or $2500 camera. Yes, I'm sure that it would cost Canon much to design and implement having ISO in the viewfinder, but it is the accumulation of the little things that are absent in the lower priced bodies that makes some people be willing to spend the money to buy the 1-series bodies. On my 20D, I'd like to see, not only ISO in the viewfinder, but I'd like to see ISO adjustable in 1/3 stop increments, and I'd like to see a spot meter, and I'd like to see weather sealing. But I paid $1300 for my 20D. I do see all of those things in
my 1DII that I paid $4500 for.
Like with most things in life, you do get what you paid for. To the contrary, I find it remarkable that Canon could put as much into a $3000 body or a
$1200 body (in the case of the 20D) as they have. Just a couple of years ago, you couldn't have bought a fraction of what these "lower priced" cameras have for double or triple their prices.
Les
Les
No matter the cost, Canon should always design each and every camera in the smartest possible manner ... leaving the ISO out of the viewfinder on a 3K semipro camera is not smart. Sooner or later in a fast paced shooting situation, you will have the ISO set wrong no matter how good you think you are.
Another poor design is not designing mirror lock up automatically engage when using timer release. This is not even an option on 1 series bodies.
Designing cameras smartly sells more cameras, I would certainly like to hear Canon's reasoning for not implementing these two features.
No matter the cost, Canon should always design each and every camera in the smartest possible manner ... leaving the ISO out of the viewfinder on a 3K semipro camera is not smart.
Agreed. It's not like this is some fancy new feature, or it costs a lot more to implement or anything.
I doubt anyody is going to buy a 1 series over the 5D just to get ISO display in the viewfinder. They will just gripe about it being missing. I certainly plan to. --c
uz2work wrote:
I wish that the ISO was in the viewfinder of my 20D, too, but there are reasons why the 1-series bodies cost $4000 and $8000 if you want full frame. I find it amazing how people, with each new DSLR that is introduced seem to want all of the features and abilities of a $4000 or $8000 camera, but they want them
in a $1500 or $2500 camera. Yes, I'm sure that it would cost Canon much to design and implement having ISO in the viewfinder, but it is the accumulation of the little things that are absent in the lower priced bodies that makes some people be willing to spend the money to buy the 1-series bodies. On my 20D, I'd like to see, not only ISO in the viewfinder, but I'd like to see ISO adjustable in 1/3 stop increments, and I'd like to see a spot meter, and I'd like to see weather sealing. But I paid $1300 for my 20D. I do see all of those things in
my 1DII that I paid $4500 for.
Like with most things in life, you do get what you paid for. To the contrary, I find it remarkable that Canon could put as much into a $3000 body or a
$1200 body (in the case of the 20D) as they have. Just a couple of years ago, you couldn't have bought a fraction of what these "lower priced" cameras have for double or triple their prices.
Les
Les...Show more →
Ok, if the guy had asked for 16mp, 8fps or weather sealing, I'd say you have a point. If he'd asked for ISO in the viewfinder of a 350XT, I'd say you have a point (though not a particularly strong one).
What he's asking for is a very useful feature that is pretty much universally desired and would cost very little to impliment...and he's asking for it in a $3k plus body! This is not an unreasonable request.
I have trained myself to reset my Digital Rebel everytime I turn it off. ISO 100, Av with aperture @ F4. Took me a few months to get used to it, but it became a necessity from all the shots I was losing.
I find it quite strange that people don't intuitively pick up what their ISO setting is based on aperture/shutter speed for the amount of available light.
Ok, if the guy had asked for 16mp, 8fps or weather sealing, I'd say you have a point. If he'd asked for ISO in the viewfinder of a 350XT, I'd say you have a point (though not a particularly strong one).
What he's asking for is a very useful feature that is pretty much universally desired and would cost very little to impliment...and he's asking for it in a $3k plus body! This is not an unreasonable request.
From a marketing point of view, what Canon has done is more than logical.
It isn't just the big dollar items that separate the lower priced cameras from the big ticket ones. It is also an accumulation of smaller things, including design, features, controls, etc. Would it cost GM any more to have designed the Chevy Cavelier to look like a Corvette? No it wouldn't. But it is smart marketing to distinguish your entry level items from your big ticket items in as many ways as possible. Canon wants to put just the right number of great ideas in their prosumer cameras, but to withhold as many as they can, at the same time, to make clear distinctions between those entry level products and the big ticket items. From a consumer point of view, we may wish that it were different, but from a marketing point of view, it is a smart strategy.
I'm sure that Canon has listened to consumers complaints about things like this on previous models. When they design a new model, I'm sure that there is plenty of discussion about how many of those complaints they want to respond to in the next generation and how many they want to continue to withhold to retain that distinction between the enty level models and the big ticket models.
Again, we think like consumers. Canon thinks like a very successful business enterprise.
Les
John Ferguson wrote:
Another poor design is not designing mirror lock up automatically engage when using timer release. This is not even an option on 1 series bodies.
That's very true! Also the reason why I basically never use mirror lock up - too much hassle to go through the CF menu. Besides, I usually forget to disable it when I'm done Why would anyone use fast speeds with it, and slow tripod speeds without it? Therefore, why not have it automaticlly on slow speeds? Beats me.
From a marketing point of view, what Canon has done is more than logical.
I don't agree. As I said, nobody is going to spend thousands extra for something like this.
It's like sticking the windshield washer control on the passenger side of the car and telling buyers if they want it on the steering column they have to buy a luxury model. Stupid.
And yes, the MLU function is idiotic too. How many button presses to turn it on or off? Get with the program, Canon! --c
ISO is a variable for digital from here-on-out...and should be included in all cameras...its too useful to know. In my dark-places type of photography, I'm rolling back between H and 1600 minute-by-minute...
Still, there is a discipline to it...every morning, I change my sigma 20 1.8 off, for the "day news" 17-85 IS, set the ISO down and verify that "all tripod settings" that I use for Real Estate VR's are off (manual WB, MLU, Expo Comp, self-timer) and then take a test shot...and verify the chip's readiness, THEN I'm ready.
Every evening, I change the lenses, again,...when you have to roll, even though there are lenses in my chestvest (handier than my brain), I won't be able to write addresses, look at maps, talk on the cell phone/radio AND get my camera ready for a "thing". I know I can grab a camera off a seat and shoot it and it'll work. ISO is just part of that discipline.
My photog. teacher (wartime PJ) was used to yelling at everyone, and man, I remember, "READY IS READY PEOPLE, NOT KINDA READY, READY!"
G.
Edited by losloslos on Aug 23, 2005 at 09:54 PM GMT
I have to say the missing ISO is a bit silly indeed, I change ISO all the time, since I shoot in varying conditions - high ISO very often, and then it stays that way, until the next time I'm taking pictures in bright light I notice the unusually high shutter speeds...
uz2work wrote:
From a marketing point of view, what Canon has done is more than logical.
It isn't just the big dollar items that separate the lower priced cameras from the big ticket ones. It is also an accumulation of smaller things, including design, features, controls, etc. Would it cost GM any more to have designed the Chevy Cavelier to look like a Corvette? No it wouldn't. But it is smart marketing to distinguish your entry level items from your big ticket items in as many ways as possible. Canon wants to put just the right number of great ideas in their prosumer cameras, but to withhold as many as they can, at the same time, to make clear distinctions between those entry level products and the big ticket items. From a consumer point of view, we may wish that it were different, but from a marketing point of view, it is a smart strategy.
I'm sure that Canon has listened to consumers complaints about things like this on previous models. When they design a new model, I'm sure that there is plenty of discussion about how many of those complaints they want to respond to in the next generation and how many they want to continue to withhold to retain that distinction between the enty level models and the big ticket models.
Again, we think like consumers. Canon thinks like a very successful business enterprise.
Les ...Show more →
I'm thinking it would cost a lot more to make a cavalier look like a corvette, but anyway....
Yea, I understand the marketing aspects of the situation, and this is a single small thing. It won't likely cost Canon customers. The question is always about where to draw those lines across the features.
For me, ISO control is a fundamental of digital photography. If Canon in the film days had designed their cameras so that it was difficult to read the shutter speed on the low end cameras, but easy on the high end then we'd all be chatting in the Nikon forum.
Johnny Bravo wrote:
Didn't you see the new product annoucements today? Canon will come out with an aftermarket 'User Memory Enhancement Stick' that will solve your problem. Every time you forget to check your settings, you can just smack yourself across the forehead with the User Memory Enhancement Stick and, after a few repetitions, you're almost certain to start checking your iso BEFORE you shoot.
Yeah, and another optional add-on feature will be the ability of discharging
of small electric impulses (around 1kV) direct on the forehead as shock therapy.
John Ferguson wrote:
Designing cameras smartly sells more cameras, I would certainly like to hear Canon's
reasoning for not implementing these two features.
Sure, but leaving something out like this is not smart (from consumer's point
of view). I believe that the effort of implementing a small ISO display indicator
on the viewfinder is not as big as i.e. adding the other new 6 invisible AF. Unless
they took the old 20D's viewfinder and cast it into the new 5D.
uz2work wrote:
Again, we think like consumers. Canon thinks like a very successful business enterprise.
I thought "consumers are king" (1D's consumer maybe?).
Always leave something to be desired... Well, maybe that's the name of the game.
capitalK wrote:
I have trained myself to reset my Digital Rebel everytime I turn it off. ISO 100, Av with aperture @ F4. Took me a few months to get used to it, but it became a necessity from all the shots I was losing.
The 5D offers some Customed Mode for this
--c
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