the pentium pro was a server chip. it was never really "replaced" but just eventually rendered obsolete as the Pentium II and Pentium III chips surpassed it in speed.
Start selling your 20D's at ebay before prices will go down drastically. As I have noticed the price of the new 20D's went down after canon's mail and rebate ended. Oh I'm so excited! A full frame camera, 12MP resolution, with vertical grip included. it must be like the 1D's and hope there will be no more build in flash, it is so unusefull because of its range.
Built in flash is actually a very useful thing to have. Theres been so many times when I havent had a flash in my camera bag that the 20D's flash came in handy.
For example, sometimes after shooting some sporting events, one of the teams athletic communications directors will ask if I would like to take a couple of portrait type shots of a player we migh feature in an article. I may not of brought a speedlight with me that day, just my 20D backup camera, since I wasnt expecting to shoot such shots and I of course cant bring everything I own. 20D built in flash saves the day to fill in under a ball cap or helmet.
As long as it doesnt waste space in the mirror box, flashes dont bother me at all. Better to have something built in you might not need rather that than have a single time when you miss something
On a 10D or 20D ? I always though the higher pop up flash height would allow it to clear the hood though Ive honestly never tried it come to think of it. I too have a 17-40 and 24-70 and use both those lens quite a bit, but when indoors, I never use hoods so I guess I wouldnt of noticed if they do.
Pixel Perfect wrote:
So an EOS 5D/2D (no 3D since it is a clean design and no confusion about digital EOS 3) with 12.5MP 1.3x crop, integrated grip, 2.5" LCD, Li Ion battery, 1kg max, ISO 50-3200, spot metering, 200 zone evaluative metering, 11 pt AF, with 9 x-type sensors, joystick control of AF points and menu items, etc, priced around $2500 will do me very nicely.
There is supposedly one standout feature above all on this ruoured camera. I think it will be a true colour sensor, others have said live preview (lame IMO) and others say a high speed crop mode ala the D2X.
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I am at a loss to understand why some are so infatuated with the Lithium-Ion technology when that means batteries that age rapidly whether or not they are used. True, Li-Ion has a slower discharge rate, but this is offset by the fast ageing. With Lithium-Ion one needs an uninterrupted battery supply; with Ni-MH spare batteries can be stored for a long time.
"A unique drawback that we can see to the Li-ion battery is that its life cycle is dependent upon aging from time of manufacturing (shelf life) regardless if it was charged or not and not on the number of charge/discharge cycles. This drawback is not widely publicized."
Also, live preview is far from an advantage. It would mean a sensor and color filters constantly exposed to light, which would shorten the life span of these light-sensitive components. It is also a complete waste of energy, since the sensor acting as a video camera would incur more use of precious battery power. Nor anything ever replace a proper optical finder.
Moreover, the camera bodies should not be built in magnesium, but in UV-resistant, carbon- or boron-reinforced composite material which could also be very resistant to heat if the right material is used. A main reason for this material is the impracticality of metal in very cold environments - holding a metal camera body in minus twenty degree (Celcius) is not a habit-forming experience.
Further, a high-grade camera body should weigh no less than one kg, but not necessarily more. Ultra-light bodies are less stable when held with long shutter speeds or/and focal lengths, and a camera like the 1D II is far better to hand hold than lighter bodies.
A LCD does not have to be bigger - in fact it would be good if the camera is not that dependent on the constant use of the color LCD on the back and has more controls accessible at the top LCD or through external buttons. All one needs in the back LCD is a histogram and no more than an overview to see if a picture was actually taken. It is also very inconvenient to have to access menus to use mirror lockup, for example. This must be changed in coming models.
racer67 wrote:
The price gap between the 20D and the 1D series is enormous and I really wish that Canon will fill that gap with something that would give semi-pros and advanced amateurs some more choice.
I think that really there are many digital shooters ready for a 1.6 crop 12-14 mp camera similar to the Nikon.
Then update the 1DMarkII to 1.6 crop (no I'm not crazy) 14mp sensor, 12 frames a second for the sports and PJ shooters.
I agree that the price gap between the 20D and the 1D-bodies is too large, but I also feel that the 1D II is overpriced. I have that camera and I am extremely happy that I bought it since it is a very durable camera which is going to last long and stand up to heavy use, but considering that the price is roughly twice that of the high-end 1-series film bodies and that it is not full frame, I still consider it overpriced.
And a 22.5 x 15.0 mm sensor (1.6 crop) cannot take much more resolution without adverse effects on dynamic range and signal-to-noise ratio. The Nikon DX consistently blows highlights where all the Canons hold them, and noise becomes objectionable above ISO 400. We should not want cramming a large number of megapixels onto a sensor smaller than 24 x 36 mm as Nikon has done. If Nikon wants to compete, they will have to come out with a Full Frame 24 x 36 mm DSLR rather soon. Also, they have nothing to compete with the 1D II, not even the 20D at present. It would be good for us all if Nikon could improve this situation.
I agree with you Bogatyr that 1Dmk2 is still a bit overpriced... but so are currently all digital cameras. I guess 1d will sooner or later come down to price which 1v has/had. Afterall it's not that far from this anymore. But even if it's overpriced I don't regret I bought it. It works fine, it has all what I need, I'm happy with it and it was paid off already
As far as I heard (it might be reliable source but it also might not be ) it's suppose to be full frame with 12mp. It's not suppose to replace any of existing camera but it is suppose to fit between 1d and 20d. But let's wait for another week or two and it will be clear.
And no matter what I don't really care about this right now. 1d has all what I need so even if they replace 1d with new one, it's for first time in 1d history (yeah not long one anyway) that we don't need to upgrade
*whistle* whistle...... It's coming. All I can say; it might dissapoint some, and it might bring joy to some. It's a mixed reaction. Thread carefully. I shall not say more. I have a direct link to Canon.
marcus_yam wrote:
*whistle* whistle...... It's coming. All I can say; it might dissapoint some, and it might bring joy to some. It's a mixed reaction. Thread carefully. I shall not say more. I have a direct link to Canon.
In another thread Lars Johnsson wrote:
re: Mkt Plan for new Canon camera? "Every thread is always the same. People want the 1 series camera and like to pay a couple of hundred dollars more than the 20D price. And then they call it the 3D. "
Roy NN7DX wrote:
In another thread Lars Johnsson wrote:
re: Mkt Plan for new Canon camera? "Every thread is always the same. People want the 1 series camera and like to pay a couple of hundred dollars more than the 20D price. And then they call it the 3D. "
That's probably got some truth to it. But if this proverbial new camera is what the rumors seem to say, it'll finally bring a full-frame digital camera into the price range where many film shooters who have avoided digital can finally get something that works for them.
Had I not broken the film door on the back of my Elan a couple of years ago, I'd probably be one of those. Instead, I've enjoyed the benefits of digital since that first 10D, and I haven't shot a full roll of film in over a year. The repaired Elan II stares at me in lonliness.
jackkrash wrote:
If it's not priced around $1500, it is not a replacement for the 20D. I hope that information does not turn out to be true, 20D prices may climb instead of drop if that is the case.
I think this is a basic fact in the canon of Canon: Keep a DSLR n the line-up pegged at $1500. They may introduce that "tweener," or they may keep an ntroductory model at $799 (I doubt that, though), but I'm pretty sure that just as they will keep a DSLR pegged at $999, they will also keep one pegged at $1500. We can expect the capabilities of the models at those price points to increase to some extent, though.
Back in April (4 month ago), I was travelling in China and met a guy who was working for Canon China. During the dinner, he told me that a new DSLR is being designed and produced. He did not know what the end name was going to be, but only knew the internal code name. According to him, the new DSLR will be Full Frame and will be priced between 20D and 1DMK2, the estimated releasing date would be end of 2005. That's all he could say.
At that time I did not believe him at all. A FF DSLR selling around $3000? No way...
But now, seeing so many rumors from other sources, I have to re-think what he said.
) it's suppose to be full frame with 12mp. It's not suppose to replace any of existing camera but it is suppose to fit between 1d and 20d. But let's wait for another week or two and it will be clear. 
