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Randy Roy
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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · 20D & D30 photo difference Pics


focus wrote:
Randy Roy's suggest to dump 20D seems to be a bold suggestion to me. I've found 20D is a much better camera in every aspects so I dumped my D30 instead.



Hey, I was just kidding, hence the after my "Dump the 20D" comment. I'm sure that Lisa will get her 20D issues sorted out, and all will be well.

Randy



Jan 23, 2005 at 03:28 PM
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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · 20D & D30 photo difference Pics


Using flash to compare shots is also not a good idea -- I still have a lot of probs even getting shots from the SAME camera to look consistent.

Any sort of "built in flash" will look "artificial" and on different cams the built in flash will most certainly yield different results.

Try shots in decent light with a reasonable Lens -- that way you can eliminate other pieces of equipment from the equation and narrow it down to the camera --and then it should be fairly easy to find out what (if anything) is wrong.

Flash even for hardened Pro's is can be extremely tricky --and this is one area where Canon hasn't always had the best reputation --the new 580's with E-TTL2 might be better --another topic.

Cheers
-K



Jan 23, 2005 at 03:42 PM
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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · 20D & D30 photo difference Pics


Randy, I think folks knew you were kidding.
I have been able to reproduce the similar look of the photos but with some post processing with the 20D.
I guess I'm liking the fact that I don't have to post process as much on the D30.
Both are fine cameras.....both cameras are keepers for me

Lisa



Jan 23, 2005 at 04:10 PM
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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · 20D & D30 photo difference Pics


Nice, another happy and satisfied D30 owner


Jan 23, 2005 at 04:32 PM
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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · 20D & D30 photo difference Pics


Lisa,

Once again the 20D shot is overexposed, and obviously so. Are you sure it's not set for exposure compensation? It's possible, of course, that your 20D is in need of adjustment.

I don't have the same products to shoot that you do, but I tried to get close. (My wife has the iPod with her, and she's out right now.)

20D, manual mode 125 f/1.8, ISO 400 w/onboard flash, 85/1.8, AWB, Parameter 1.

http://mysite.verizon.net/vze2gt8w/images/sb.jpg

I don't have a D30 for the comparison.



Jan 23, 2005 at 04:32 PM
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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · 20D & D30 photo difference Pics


Same settings, except FEC set to +2 stops:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vze2gt8w/images/sb2.jpg

Not far off from your 20D shot.



Jan 23, 2005 at 04:45 PM
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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · 20D & D30 photo difference Pics


Just for comparison's sake...

Powershot G2, full auto mode:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vze2gt8w/images/sb3.jpg

Something's not right when a point & shoot can do exposure better than a 20D. Are you sure your FEC isn't set to +2 or thereabouts?



Jan 23, 2005 at 05:10 PM
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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · 20D & D30 photo difference Pics


Moondigger, I'm going to check settings now. Thank you for that excellent effort for duplication!!!
I'll try again, you've inspired me

Lisa



Jan 23, 2005 at 05:22 PM
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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · 20D & D30 photo difference Pics


Lisa, et al, the D30 is well known for its unique color characteristics. Calling
it 'more saturated' doesn't quite describe it, though it comes close. there
is a fantasy-land pastel aspect to the D30 (which I used for several years before
moving on) and I believe the D60 shares the same processing algorithm.
The D30 images are very pleasing. They are not, however, accurate in the
same way as the later cameras. If you want this result from your 20D you
can try tweaking the settings, or do it in photoshop with some Digital Velvia.
The D30 is just a different camera, and it has a 'look' that will not likely be duplicated.
In this respect it does resemble earlier Canon G series cameras. It got so
I could see a D30 shot in a magazine and call it before reading the specs.
Very distinctive, nice. Accurate?....well, no. There's a lot of difference
between the 10D and the 20D too, and I prefer the 20D as a reliable
reproducer of colors as seen by my eye. As for exposure, that's another
ballgame and i can't comment on that. The result, usually, is that side
by side, a D30 photo is going to appeal more than a 20D photo at first glance.
That of course depends on subject matter and the taste of the viewer.

Art



Jan 23, 2005 at 05:37 PM
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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · 20D & D30 photo difference Pics


couldn't u just always under expose by 2/3 ev??


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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · 20D & D30 photo difference Pics


It's just a shot in the dark, but check your metering setting: evaluative, central average, or spot metering (check in the manual.) If there's a way to reset the D20, you can try it and use the P mode to see if it makes any difference.

Thi



Jan 24, 2005 at 02:33 AM
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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · 20D & D30 photo difference Pics


I also upgraded from the D30 to the 20D. I have no regrets.

Expose your images properly and generally be conscious of what you're doing (as in not comparing vastly different images) and you can get good results. Also be aware of what parameters you're shooting with: contrast, saturation, tonal balance... Finally, if you shoot RAW then you can tweak 20D (or D30) images every which way. Increasing saturation, contrast, eliminating the overexposure (ideally at the time of the shot), and bumping up the black point will make your 20D shot look much more like that from the D30.



Jan 24, 2005 at 02:56 AM
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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · 20D & D30 photo difference Pics


Lisa... any update? Was it settings, or is there something else wrong?


Jan 24, 2005 at 07:45 PM
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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · 20D & D30 photo difference Pics


D30/D60 color is unbeatable, even compared to your 20D shot adjusted to -1/2. There was simply a richness in the early bodies that can't be topped. I won't part with my D60, slow as it is.


Jan 24, 2005 at 08:00 PM
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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · 20D & D30 photo difference Pics


dbarthel wrote:
D30/D60 color is unbeatable, even compared to your 20D shot adjusted to -1/2. There was simply a richness in the early bodies that can't be topped. I won't part with my D60, slow as it is.


I don't think color is the major differentiator here; it's exposure. I am seriously wondering how the 20D is overexposing the images by over a stop.

Bizarre.

Arka C.



Jan 24, 2005 at 08:34 PM
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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · 20D & D30 photo difference Pics


Hmm, there seem to be a lot of fans of D30 colours in here. My boss used to have a D30 and he found it never quite got the red right on pictures of Ferraris, it was always a bit pink. Even shooting RAW and playing with the white balance later it was never quite right. He now has a 20D and finds the colour reproduction more accurate.


Jan 24, 2005 at 08:36 PM
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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · 20D & D30 photo difference Pics


As a counterpoint to dbarthel:

D30 color is horrible, imo - I hated working in color with the D30. There always was this "rosy" cast to the pictures that I could never quite remove. The 20D has much more accurate color, which I like. Time and time again, when working with D30 files, I just made them b/w images because trying to get the colors reasonably accurate drove me insane.



Jan 24, 2005 at 09:16 PM
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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · 20D & D30 photo difference Pics


I never felt anything fantastic about D30 colors.
Having looked at images from other cameras, I can see differences sometimes. D30 colors often look wet or sticky or muddy. 1D colors often look pretty dry. All the other cameras are in between the two.



Jan 25, 2005 at 05:25 AM
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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · 20D & D30 photo difference Pics


Try purple in sunlight with a 1D, it comes out light blue. Strangest thing I've ever seen.


Jan 25, 2005 at 05:48 AM
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p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · 20D & D30 photo difference Pics


wet/muddy is quite an apt term to use - but that is the case for pictures that were developed long ago when only the Canon RAW convertor (and its variants) were available. With the new RAW convertors and proper/more "advanced" post-processing nowadays, the difference in color renditions and "muddiness" between the D30 and the other Canon DSLRs is usually not as discernible nowadays. I could see my own D30 galleries becoming "clearer and sharper" as time goes by, due to the new technologies that are available these days (C1, PS CS, NoiseNinja, better photography techniques, more intelligent USMs, etc), that really breathes new life into the D30 pictures.



Jan 25, 2005 at 05:49 AM
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