p.31 #1 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
Well ... if it is the same (sensor technology, firmware, etc.), but with smaller pixels (i.e. more MP), then the shape of the curve essentially remains the same, just at a lower level due to the pixel size variation (ceteris paribus). This latest charting shows it below the 6D, but with the same basic curve ... possibly suggesting that "something" is the same as the 6D (firmware, sensor, ).
I was expecting it to come in north of the 80D, and south of the 5D4 / 1DX II (15 Bit's DXO graphs). Imo, Canon's statement about it coming in lower than the 5D4 was going to mean lower than 5D4 (but assumed) and higher than 80D. Never would I expect it to mean lower than the 5D4 ... AND ... lower than the 6D (inferring iI expected it would be similar to 80D / 5D4 / 1DX II gen).
It paralleled in gen one ... what's up with gen two?
We can only hope that there is "something" different in the production models that are yet to be shipped, and we get to see a different curve that looks more like gen two.
Many thanks for the files (the following graph uses them both for the 6D and 6D2).
Also already posted above, but this is the version normalized (values comparable to DXO graphs):
p.31 #4 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
RustyBug wrote:
Well ... if it is the same (sensor technology, firmware, etc.), but with smaller pixels (i.e. more MP), then the shape of the curve essentially remains the same, just at a lower level due to the pixel size variation (ceteris paribus). This latest charting shows it below the 6D, but with the same basic curve ... possibly suggesting that "something" is the same as the 6D (firmware, sensor, ).
I was expecting it to come in north of the 80D, and south of the 5D4 / 1DX II (15 Bit's DXO graphs). Imo, Canon's statement about it coming in lower than the 5D4 was going to mean lower than 5D4 (but assumed) and higher than 80D. Never would I expect it to mean lower than the 5D4 ... AND ... lower than the 6D (inferring iI expected it would be similar to 80D / 5D4 / 1DX II gen).
It paralleled in gen one ... what's up with gen two?
We can only hope that there is "something" different in the production models that are yet to be shipped, and we get to see a different curve that looks more like gen two.
It is weird, I would have expected performance similar to the 5DIV too, if not quite as good. Hopefully it is just an artefact of the preproduction camera, but we'll see.
I wonder if this 26 MP sensor was originally intended for the 5DIV, but then pulled when they came up with the better 30 MP sensor? And then instead of wasting the work that went into this design, they decided to use it in the 6D rather than making a whole new sensor.
p.31 #5 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
Lauchlan Toal wrote:
It is weird, I would have expected performance similar to the 5DIV too, if not quite as good. Hopefully it is just an artefact of the preproduction camera, but we'll see.
Rob mentioned earlier in the thread that the camera came in a retail box with manual etc. The box had a sticker with "Sample" on it, but not "Pre-production". To call it a pre-production camera at this point sounds like wishful thinking, although admittedly it is not impossible.
p.31 #6 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
Aztatlan wrote:
Rob mentioned earlier in the thread that the camera came in a retail box with manual etc. The box had a sticker with "Sample" on it, but not "Pre-production". To call it a pre-production camera at this point sounds like wishful thinking, although admittedly it is not impossible.
Maybe they are using the pre-orders for JIT fulfillment with the good stuff.
p.31 #7 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
Definitely, the 6D2 is a better camera with a lower latitude "digital film roll" inside.
In my case I had no plans to upgrade, but now in fact I'd feel encouraged to not do it...
p.31 #8 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
I still do not understand why... I agree with what Ciriaco wrote : this sample must be a release version. There is just no way Canon would give some kind of engineering sample to an external entity for testing, and less than a month before public release.
But then what is the point of this 6D2? No 4K video and no dynamic range for stills/poor read noise? So just AF and a tilt screen, that's it?
p.31 #9 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
Aztatlan wrote:
Rob mentioned earlier in the thread that the camera came in a retail box with manual etc. The box had a sticker with "Sample" on it, but not "Pre-production". To call it a pre-production camera at this point sounds like wishful thinking, although admittedly it is not impossible.
I agree, there is no way this isn't the actual sensor. A prototype with a different sensor would never end up in any sort of box and would have been decided on months or even a year ago. It could be running early FW but the sensor isn't going to change.
I am really surprised as it was almost a given that it would have the DR improvements from the new fabs just like all the new cameras do. I guess nothing is ever for certain....hopefully 5DSR2 and 7D3 don't follow this trend.....
p.31 #10 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
arbitrage wrote:
I agree, there is no way this isn't the actual sensor. I prototype with a different sensor would never end up in any sort of box and would have been decided on months or even a year ago. It could be running early FW but the sensor isn't going to change.
I am really surprised as it was almost a given that it would have the DR improvements from the new fabs just like all the new cameras do. I guess nothing is ever for certain....hopefully 5DSR2 and 7D3 don't follow this trend.....
I too am surprised (and disappointed.) I had expected the 6DII to match the 5DIV DR, or possibly even better it slightly. I can think of no reason why it would be the same (or worse) than the original 6D's other than an attempt to drive people up to the 5D IV.
I would not expect the 5DSR2 or 7D3 to follow this trend, as both represent the high end of their relevant segments whereas the 6DII does not. But then again, I didn't expect the 6DII to perform where it does, so who knows
I shoot Sony, but had dabbled with the idea of a second body from Canon as I love Canon glass and the 5D IV finally got their DR to a level I was happy with. Unfortunately I was not happy with the price of the 5D IV The 6D II was interesting to me as a cheaper alternative, but back to the drawing board I think.
p.31 #11 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
I currently have a 6D2 preordered and I find all this DR info unsettling but I'm still excited to get the new body.
Although the body did arrive in a retail box, do the production models usually come in a plain box? I'm also wondering if Canon NZ were just late to get the sample bodies?
I don't expect the DR to be better than that of the 5D4, but I was hoping it would be better than 6D and have the clean shadows of the 80D/M5.
p.31 #13 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
I assume Canon is still running sensors off the older type of fabs as I don't think the cheaper cameras have better DR like the 80D and above have had. I wonder if the new fabs are full so they decided to make the 6D2 on the old one?? Seems crazy but hey its Canon.....nothing surprises me....
p.31 #15 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
arbitrage wrote:
I assume Canon is still running sensors off the older type of fabs as I don't think the cheaper cameras have better DR like the 80D and above have had. I wonder if the new fabs are full so they decided to make the 6D2 on the old one?? Seems crazy but hey its Canon.....nothing surprises me....
Where does Canon source the sensors, multiple suppliers or one?
p.31 #17 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
I'm wondering what is the impact of DPAF on the sensor design. Not directly per se, But I feel that DPAF's added cost has been mitigated by Canon by lowering some performances aspects of the 5DIV sensor.
Personally I wasn't expecting better high ISO performances than the current 6D (none of the DPAF sensors have better high IOS performances than Canon's previous sensors), but was as others expecting an improvement in base ISO DR. But maybe that's an area where Canon has been able to reduce costs by cutting corners ?
Jul 09, 2017 at 12:18 AM
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p.31 #18 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
MayaTlab wrote:
But maybe that's an area where Canon has been able to reduce costs by cutting corners ?
p.31 #19 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
I agree with you 100%. I owned an original 6D and made a non-scientific comparison with 6D II by pulling up 2 stops exposure in DPP. 6D II has the same noise level with original 6D.
Thanks, these have the same characteristics than the previous ones.
File : ./IMG_9303_0.tiff
CAMERA : EOS 6D Mark II
ISO : 100
GMAX : 16319
AREA : 203889 pixels
MEAN : 512.5798
STDDEV : 7.6753
DR : 11.01 EV
File : ./IMG_9297_0.tiff
CAMERA : EOS 6D Mark II
ISO : 100
GMAX : 16383
AREA : 203889 pixels
MEAN : 512.7286
STDDEV : 7.7460
DR : 11.00 EV
File : ./IMG_9298_0.tiff
CAMERA : EOS 6D Mark II
ISO : 100
GMAX : 16383
AREA : 203889 pixels
MEAN : 512.7322
STDDEV : 7.7674
DR : 11.00 EV
Jul 09, 2017 at 01:52 AM
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p.31 #20 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
Make a guess which is where.
I edited in DPP images taken by Rob on 6D and 6D II at ISO 100 (pushed +3 EV, minimal sharpness and NR applied) and converted to TIFFs (AdobeRGB/16bit). Then I normalized tiff files in ACR in WB and zoom settings (downscaled 6D II a bit).
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The 6D II was interesting to me as a cheaper alternative, but back to the drawing board I think.