Not interested in a high ISO low res action camera, but the text also speaks of a 1DX replacement excerpted below:
"It was stressed that the above is NOT the EOS-1D X Mark II. There will be a quantum leap in fps, dynamic range and a bump in resolution for that camera."
Newton's law of motion applies to any rumors about increased dynamic range of sensors
"An object at rest stays at rest and an object in motion stays in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force."
phibes wrote:
so, will it recycle the 1DX sensor? .. well not bad, but, ....
Well they did say bump in res. So if its modest, like 24mp, I will still want the 5DR-S. Or if its too expensive. I will need to trade off more pixels lower cost for higher DR and a bunch of 1Dx features I don't need. The rumored 5D4 does not interest me at all at those specs in the article.
But a really large improvement in DR at say 36MP would at least make me consider. It also depends on how well the 5DR-S does with shadow noise. DR is not the big issue for me, but being able to cleanly lift shadows is.
That the day ever arrives where Canon delivers such a naturalist's dream camera (e.g. wide DR, Low-Noise, Low Light) I am sure will quash any further debates or poo-pooing about such functionalities from the 5-stop crowd. The scoffers will become converts, nay, praisers of this liberation in imaging technology and peace will finally reign on the forums. Ha!
CFast for 4K? Maybe if it shoots RAW 4K. Then the price will be >$5K U.S. (well, the way Canon prices their technology!),
If Canon ever needs a beta-tester for such a beasty, they know where to find me!
The rumored "bump in res" was for whatever rumored thing might replace the 1Dx. The rumored 5Dx (or IV or whatever) sounds like it would be a 5-series version of the 1Dx style camera. That seems like it would make the folks who think that a 5DIV replacement should focus on speed and DR rather then MP very happy.
I've wondered for some time if Canon might be seeing the writing on the wall about the evolving DSLR market. For one thing, almost no one believes that they should have to pay 1-series prices for a high MP camera any more. When the 5D and 5DII/III became the Canon high MP bodies, lots of folks who might have used a 1Ds-series body in the past could not justify the higher pricing any more. (Yes, a few could.)
This was probably a good part of what moved Canon away from the old 1D-? and 1Ds-? format at the high end and toward the 1Dx, with high enough resolution and plenty of speed for folks who might shoot the sorts of things where that is required. At the same time, fewer and fewer photographers were seeing the value proposition of the high MP 1-series bodies and were moving to the 5D series. The introduction of high MP FF bodies from Nikon and Sony and lower price points only strengthened this progression.
My wild hunch (with absolutely not inside information whatsoever) is that it wouldn't surprise me at all to see the what used to be a bifurcated 1-series lineup (a high speed camera and a high MP camera) transition to a bifurcated 5D series lineup with perhaps something like the 1DS (hey, there's that "S" again!) and a 5DX, with the same complementary feature sets.
Along with that, we will see (and have already seen) that the pricing of the 5D series will rise — list price has already risen above the mid-$2000 range of the 5DII to the mid-$3000 range of the 5DIII and the upcoming 5Ds, and I'd expect something similar for the 5Dx (or IV or whatever) body.
This wouldn't be a crazy thing for Canon either. I'm betting that they would sell plenty of these bodies at this price point — more than enough to make up for the much smaller number of older 1D style bodies that sold at even higher prices.
Acknowledging the fuzziness of rumors, and speculatively yours,
gdanmitchell wrote:
The rumored "bump in res" was for whatever rumored thing might replace the 1Dx. The rumored 5Dx (or IV or whatever) sounds like it would be a 5-series version of the 1Dx style camera. That seems like it would make the folks who think that a 5DIV replacement should focus on speed and DR rather then MP very happy.
I've wondered for some time if Canon might be seeing the writing on the wall about the evolving DSLR market. For one thing, almost no one believes that they should have to pay 1-series prices for a high MP camera any more. When the 5D and 5DII/III became the Canon high MP bodies, lots of folks who might have used a 1Ds-series body in the past could not justify the higher pricing any more. (Yes, a few could.)
This was probably a good part of what moved Canon away from the old 1D-? and 1Ds-? format at the high end and toward the 1Dx, with high enough resolution and plenty of speed for folks who might shoot the sorts of things where that is required. At the same time, fewer and fewer photographers were seeing the value proposition of the high MP 1-series bodies and were moving to the 5D series. The introduction of high MP FF bodies from Nikon and Sony and lower price points only strengthened this progression.
My wild hunch (with absolutely not inside information whatsoever) is that it wouldn't surprise me at all to see the what used to be a bifurcated 1-series lineup (a high speed camera and a high MP camera) transition to a bifurcated 5D series lineup with perhaps something like the 1DS (hey, there's that "S" again!) and a 5DX, with the same complementary feature sets.
Along with that, we will see (and have already seen) that the pricing of the 5D series will rise — list price has already risen above the mid-$2000 range of the 5DII to the mid-$3000 range of the 5DIII and the upcoming 5Ds, and I'd expect something similar for the 5Dx (or IV or whatever) body.
This wouldn't be a crazy thing for Canon either. I'm betting that they would sell plenty of these bodies at this price point — more than enough to make up for the much smaller number of older 1D style bodies that sold at even higher prices.
Acknowledging the fuzziness of rumors, and speculatively yours,
I don't think anyone will be paying 1-series prices for any camera in a few years, be it high MP, sports, or otherwise. There are $1.5k wearthsealed mirrorless cameras (Samsung NX1) that can shoot 15 fps with continuous AF and track almost as good as entry level DSLRs. That AF performance will likely improve to "better than pro DSLR" in a few years.
snapsy wrote:
I don't think anyone will be paying 1-series prices for any camera in a few years, be it high MP, sports, or otherwise. There are $1.5k wearthsealed mirrorless cameras (Samsung NX1) that can shoot 15 fps with continuous AF and track almost as good as entry level DSLRs. That AF performance will likely improve to "better than pro DSLR" in a few years.
I did not know this camera.
I googled it and read a review.
Very, very impressive indeed.
Rumored 5D4 or 5DX sounds like an updated D700 that Nikon has yet to create. Those stats are sweet if you want a great action cam and don't want the weight of the 1D bodies. I was tempted to get a 7D2 but might hold off now and see what this really turns out to be.
People are still going to pay the 1D price levels as they want the build quality. The NX1 is no 1DX or D4s and in some reviews did not do well in low light AF which kills it for indoor sports.
snapsy wrote:
I don't think anyone will be paying 1-series prices for any camera in a few years, be it high MP, sports, or otherwise. There are $1.5k wearthsealed mirrorless cameras (Samsung NX1) that can shoot 15 fps with continuous AF and track almost as good as entry level DSLRs. That AF performance will likely improve to "better than pro DSLR" in a few years.
Anyone? AF and speed are just a few reasons why people buy pro bodies. They buy pro bodies because they need something that holds up to the rigors of daily shooting. Sure, somebody will probably make a professional mirrorless camera sooner or later, but they will certainly be asking more than $1500 for it.
sb in ak wrote:
Anyone? AF and speed are just a few reasons why people buy pro bodies. They buy pro bodies because they need something that holds up to the rigors of daily shooting. Sure, somebody will probably make a professional mirrorless camera sooner or later, but they will certainly be asking more than $1500 for it.
The NX1 is said to be made of solid metal rather than the metal+composites in prosumer bodies like D800/D810/5DM3, so I imagine it would hold up quite well. And if it doesn't then pros could buy 4 extra copies of the body for the price of a flagship 1DX/D4s.
Well that would be almost my perfect 5d4. I hope it ends up in production! I'd guess at it being a tweaked 1dx sensor. So basically the camera would be a proper mini 1dx. For "£3k" and in a smaller body.
I'm with you. I can buy a 1D X for $4100 so why buy a 5D with this specification. Of course, they are likely testing various configurations, but its getting close enough to announcement time that they need to decide on the camera and start producing sensors, and long lead parts.
If the sensor is a dual pixel sensor, I might be convinced.
