p.19 #3 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
Damn, I was hoping the 5DsR would kill my desire for the 645z. Nope....
Can't afford either though. I still feel lucky to have my 5D3. The largest thing keeping me back is only a lack of creativity and vision, not DR or resolution.
p.19 #6 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
In the side by side of 5D3 vs. Asomething, the comparison is not valid. The 5D3 is underexposed or the Asomething is overexposed. There is loss of detail on the right pic in the highlight on nose. Nor do we have any details about how the jpegs were produced or the processing (computer on board or computer on desk) was tuned.
p.19 #7 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
sb in ak wrote:
Damn, I was hoping the 5DsR would kill my desire for the 645z. Nope....
Can't afford either though. I still feel lucky to have my 5D3. The largest thing keeping me back is only a lack of creativity and vision, not DR or resolution.
One issue with the 645z is the lack of tilt shift lens options. I've looked at the Pentax too. It's another choice for sure.
p.19 #8 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
Monito wrote:
In the side by side of 5D3 vs. Asomething, the comparison is not valid. The 5D3 is underexposed or the Asomething is overexposed. There is loss of detail on the right pic in the highlight on nose. Nor do we have any details about how the jpegs were produced or the processing (computer on board or computer on desk) was tuned.
p.19 #9 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
NCAndy wrote:
One issue with the 645z is the lack of tilt shift lens options. I've looked at the Pentax too. It's another choice for sure.
Landscape/architecture photography isn't a key part of my shooting anymore, so the 645 is still droolworthy. They are certainly lacking in lenses, however. In all honesty, a supposed A7rII with Canon glass is probably the most logical thing at this point. I can't help but want the 645z, though.
I'll be curious to see what their new full frame looks like once more specs surface. A 36MP Pentax full frame with the FA31 is really appealing. Can't mount my Canon glass, though.
p.19 #10 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
Matt Grum wrote:
Users are free to limit the size of their browser window, and the page renderer will happily reduce the number of characters per line for them. By manually inserting carriage returns you are preventing other users and present/future forum implementations from formatting your text.
They are indeed. And web site providers are free to format the text.
Most do. This otherwise excellent site does not. I set my browser
wide for photos, which I like to use the browser to look at on web sites,
such as this one. I put up with the text being hard to read because
of the extremely long lines.
p.19 #12 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
bushwacker wrote:
5ds and 5ds R are these cameras have changeable focusing screens?
Yeah, I posed this question two separate times over ten pages ago but no one responded. Too busy with DR debate.
I later saw on the Canon website in their specs that the focus screen is unfortunately fixed.
My other question is whether the 5ds has better weatherproofing like in new 7d2? Anyone here know?
p.19 #14 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
Sensor size is hard to beat and the 645z has that for sure.
sb in ak wrote:
Landscape/architecture photography isn't a key part of my shooting anymore, so the 645 is still droolworthy. They are certainly lacking in lenses, however. In all honesty, a supposed A7rII with Canon glass is probably the most logical thing at this point. I can't help but want the 645z, though.
I'll be curious to see what their new full frame looks like once more specs surface. A 36MP Pentax full frame with the FA31 is really appealing. Can't mount my Canon glass, though.
Starting at roughly 2:00 into the video, he says, "Basically dynamic range is going to be equivalent to the 5D Mark 3, in traditional measuring terms, but there is a much lower noise floor, so therefore more ability to pull out detail in the shadows and highlights".
1. Isn't that what everyone here is calling DR - this ability to pull out detail in the shadows?
2. If this is merely a scaled out 7d2 sensor, where does the "much lower noise floor" come from?
p.19 #17 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
Ok...I'm look at the two pictures of the manequin on the website. Canon 5D3 on the right. Sony A7II on the left. Fairly equal pixel density there. The Sony sensor appears noticeably sharper HOWEVER there is a lot of false detail in there thats pretty evident on the edges of the lashes and in the fine strands of hair at the tips just over the right brow. This is most likely due to the lack of the OLPF.
The question becomes now "Does 50MP instead of low-mid 20s virtually eliminate or at least substantially reduce the propensity for those false artifacts to be generated given this same shot?"
But between those two camers, it's a matter of either wanting as little false detail as possible at the expense of a bit of sharpness OR get all the sharpness possible and try your best to remove the false data in post, which is typically difficult.
It's a personal preference! There is no right or wrong answer I don't believe. I do however wonder with a 50MP sensor, how prominent would any given aliasing or moire be that couldn't NOW be easily dealt with in post. It would still be there, but it would be 2.5 times smaller/less visible.
p.19 #18 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
pureclassa wrote:
Ok...I'm look at the two pictures of the manequin on the website. Canon 5D3 on the right. Sony A7II on the left. Fairly equal pixel density there. The Sony sensor appears noticeably sharper HOWEVER there is a lot of false detail in there thats pretty evident on the edges of the lashes and in the fine strands of hair at the tips just over the right brow. This is most likely due to the lack of the OLPF.
The question becomes now "Does 50MP instead of low-mid 20s virtually eliminate or at least substantially reduce the propensity for those false artifacts to be generated given this same shot?"
But between those two camers, it's a matter of either wanting as little false detail as possible at the expense of a bit of sharpness OR get all the sharpness possible and try your best to remove the false data in post, which is typically difficult.
It's a personal preference! There is no right or wrong answer I don't believe. I do however wonder with a 50MP sensor, how prominent would any given aliasing or moire be that couldn't NOW be easily dealt with in post. It would still be there, but it would be 2.5 times smaller/less visible....Show more →
The way sony processes images in camera (even RAW) creates a venerable truck load of artifacting at any ISO from any of their cameras that I have seen. It looks atrocious. I doubt the 5Ds will have such a problem since it does not use Sony's sensors or sensor stack.
All of that to say, I am fairly dissapointed with Canon's inability to move on past their old sensor fabrication techniques. It is getting embarrassing. While my Canon lenses are phenomenal, I would love to be able to take advantage of increased DR in a number of scenarios at at least the same level of the D800 could a handful of years ago.
p.19 #19 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
artd wrote:
But the "hide" button also takes some of the diversity out as well. If I had to "hide" anyone that ever made a snarky comment I'd have to hide a ton of people (including myself!)
More critically, the "hide me" button is counterproductive to making the forum a friendlier place as a whole. Instead of discouraging snark, all it does is bury it under your own personal rug. But any newcomers that walk in still see a dirty floor.
Your concerns have some merit. I didn't offer my full explanation of how I use it, since I was going to keep it short.
There are some nice things about the "hide me" button — which you would only use when you are certain that you have heard enough from the person you might want to hide — and some of them can make the forum a more pleasant place for everyone, not just the person doing the hiding.
Here's how I use it.
I don't hide many people, nor do I hide people just because I disagree with them. The small group I hide includes folks whose manner of expression too often seems to me go get into personalizing arguments, denigrating those with other opinions, ridiculing others, or even just outlandish writing.
Better yet, hiding people doesn't mean that I cannot see their posts — it simply means that I have to take an extra step to choose to see them. And I do reveal the posts of some of them from time to time.
However, the necessity of having to choose to view them by clicking the "show" link reminds me every time that I have made a personal vow to not engage them in discussion any more and to ignore anything insulting they write.
So, you see, I don't use the feature in a way that makes in impossible for me to read lots of divergent opinions — just in a way that lowers the noise level and which reminds me that engaging certain folks is not going to lead in a positive direction.
As far as your interesting and thoughtful point about newcomers only seeing the "dirty floor," that's going to happen anyway, I'm afraid. And, to the extent that response gratifies at least some of the arguably "bad players" in the forum, the less we respond to them the less gratification they receive for "dirtying the floor," and the less likely that their comments lead to extended conversations.
p.19 #20 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
After looking at all the previews and samples, I went from "oh boy! I want that" to "hmm do I really want it now?"
For the studio work I'm doing right now, it will be awesome. Can use the same 5D3 grip, same batteries, higher resolution and not many issues with DR as I use ISO 100 constantly and control the light.
But on the other hand, I was hoping for a replacement for the 5D3.
I'm starting to consider the A7r again. If sony brings out a new A7r based on the new A7II, I might not go with the 5Ds.
So no preorder from me
