popinvasion wrote:
This is awful, I would say this is a bigger issue than dust/oil.
If you shoot a ton of backlit then you'll need to be aware of what causes it and how to combat it. If you have dust/oil you are F'd if you shoot anything with a smaller aperture than F9. Many folks will shoot thousands, if not 10's of thousands, with the D750 and never see an issue (I'd argue most would never see an issue).
Considering the D610, D750, D810, Canon 6D, 5DM2... all exhibit this phenomenon I'm hesitant to get very worked up about it.
I have come to the conclusion that my initial item number 5) shutter timing sequence have totally nothing to do with this dark band issue.
I think I have enough information on what caused this issue but would rather keep it to myself for the time being to prevent unnecessary panic for those who will jump on anything minor to create a storm. This will only affect very few people and even though there are people who shoot this way, it will not affect them all the time. Yes, I understand that it will hurt sometime when you need that particular shot, but there is nothing one can do at the moment.
Please do not PM me to find out because I have given my reasons why.
I will see if I can feedback to Nikon next week when I send in my 24-70mm f/2.8G for servicing to have the zoom cam (under assembly number 10999-528) fix or replace. Here you go plastic, plastic, plastic parts in expensive lenses that fail over time. And there you have amateurs and old men who don't shoot or too heavy to carry all day wanting lighter lenses with lots of plastic in them.
The above issue is why I still prefer my 12 years old 28-70mm f/2.8D over the less than 5 years old 24-70mm f/2.8G. Endurance!
How come no one discovered this black bandit before the release of D750 and not a single shot was brought to our attention which was ruined exactly or even close this kind of an issue?
Do you really think people working in corporations are there to make "better" products? No, their ultimate product is called profit. Middle level managers are known not to voice any dissonance because they are salarymen sentenced to life in prison to produce and raise next generation of labor needed by capitalist. I'm certain they knew about the issue but the major product was already on the launch pad. They would quitely fix the issue for later production runs while hoping it would not be easily uncovered by users. There isn't such a thing called business ethics in Nikon management's lexicon and that doesn't pay the bill. A dollar earned can make Nikon's world better even if that junks the brand inconveniently.
I don't work for Nikon, but I can tell what is happening in our consumer's world because this is happening to all industries.
What happened is that products life cycle is getting shorter and shorter, time to market is also getting shorter, so is developing time usually with only 6 to 9 months, then you have this time to market to gain market shares like before Christmas, which make it almost impossible for those poor fellows doing a comprehensive test.
Blame not the poor fellows but the consumers who dump a perfectly good working unit to get the latest and newest to show to their friends. Now they can proudly show their units with this issue. Here I am not bashing those who really need to replenish their equipments or just starting out because the D750 is truly a good camera.
Just like unexperienced users kept asking for lighter cameras and Lenses filled with plastic and are willing to pay high prices for them. So manufacturers conned the marketing gimmick called space age plastic or space age polycarbonate or even carbon fiber that turned into powder when used as barrels.
I am by no means an expert in camera design but what I don't understand with this explenation is that this means that the "normal" flare you se in your picture is actually a reflection from the AF module? That seams not to be likely to me - but I may very well stand corrected.
If this actually is the case for the top of the picture, we need to find another explenation for how the sharp edged shade in the bottom of the picture occurs. Just seams unlikely to me that you'd also have something reflecting in the top of the mirrorbox.
Have you seen my attemt of an explenation (postet here on FM page 10)
I am seeing reports all over the place about this. This must be in a very large % of bodies. It's a shame I hope Nikon helps people out this time and not repeat the same crappy response as the D600.
popinvasion wrote:
I am seeing reports all over the place about this. This must be in a very large % of bodies. It's a shame I hope Nikon helps people out this time and not repeat the same crappy response as the D600.
I'm afraid that Nikon's answer can only be, if that kind of flare effect is what you're after (like it seems to be the case for quite some wedding photographers who intentionally shoot against the sun or some strong light source to get that look) the D750 is not the best camera for your style, because that flare can be partly blocked by the mirror box at the upper and lower edges under certain circumstances.
If you're not particularly seeking this flare effect, the D750 seems to be a great camera as it is, maybe the best all round DSLR for today.
Hey! Lowell, there is one on Buy&Sell now for just $1.
But you have to act quickly to add in something better than a D810 to go with it.
I too do not mind getting a good bargain for one even knowing that there is this issue, so long as I do remember not to shoot with a light source coming from its edge or use something else for the job.
Also I am sure Nikon will do something to help fix this issue and not let users down like in the previous D600 debacle to build up confidence in purchasing their products.
Long term reputation is much more important than short term gain.
hans98ko wrote:
I don't work for Nikon, but I can tell what is happening in our consumer's world because this is happening to all industries.
What happened is that products life cycle is getting shorter and shorter, time to market is also getting shorter, so is developing time usually with only 6 to 9 months, then you have this time to market to gain market shares like before Christmas, which make it almost impossible for those poor fellows doing a comprehensive test.
Blame not the poor fellows but the consumers who dump a perfectly good working unit to get the latest and newest to show to their friends. Now they can proudly show their units with this issue. Here I am not bashing those who really need to replenish their equipments or just starting out because the D750 is truly a good camera.
Just like unexperienced users kept asking for lighter cameras and Lenses filled with plastic and are willing to pay high prices for them. So manufacturers conned the marketing gimmick called space age plastic or space age polycarbonate or even carbon fiber that turned into powder when used as barrels. ...Show more →
Your logic can neither hold water nor compute. Are consumers to blame for sawdust filled burgers found in many global fast food chain restaurants? Because it's their fault for wanting some fast and inexpensive food?
popinvasion wrote:
I am seeing reports all over the place about this. This must be in a very large % of bodies. It's a shame I hope Nikon helps people out this time and not repeat the same crappy response as the D600.
The reports come from people who are testing their camera to see if they can replicate the effect, not that they see the effect in everyday shooting. The reports are even coming out side of Nikon land. Photographers have turned their attention from taking pictures to beta testing, thats what the report is all about.
markchan wrote:
I've been trying for days what others have done, but I can't replicate the problem. My serial number is 30076XX.
Mr Markchan, for example, has been testing for flaws in his camera for several days, the same is happening with many others because they got spoked by the internet noise.
mshi wrote:
Your logic can neither hold water nor compute. Are consumers to blame for sawdust filled burgers found in many global fast food chain restaurants? Because it's their fault for wanting some fast and inexpensive food?
Well, I will say my logic does hold water because consumers are willing to pay for newer products every year or two to replace their still very new and working units, but sure does not compute when you compare it to sawdust filled burgers.
One is asking for newer products, while the other is being sold a substituted product.
Look at iPhones and cameras that they put themselves on pre-order list. But would anyone put themselves on sawdust filled burgers pre-order list?
To get a better picture, all you need to do is just look at how many here on this forum have replaced their barely 2 years old still very new and usable D800/E for a D810.
Nexu wrote:
If you shoot a ton of backlit then you'll need to be aware of what causes it and how to combat it. If you have dust/oil you are F'd if you shoot anything with a smaller aperture than F9. Many folks will shoot thousands, if not 10's of thousands, with the D750 and never see an issue (I'd argue most would never see an issue).
Considering the D610, D750, D810, Canon 6D, 5DM2... all exhibit this phenomenon I'm hesitant to get very worked up about it.
Ok, so I tested it on the 85mm 1.8G; and was able to replicate the problem using my iPhone's LED light. I didn't do this in my previous tests, so I decided to go back and retest with the 50mm 1.8D and 85mm 1.8D; and the problem was replicated with those two lenses as well.
Nexu wrote:
If you shoot a ton of backlit then you'll need to be aware of what causes it and how to combat it. If you have dust/oil you are F'd if you shoot anything with a smaller aperture than F9. Many folks will shoot thousands, if not 10's of thousands, with the D750 and never see an issue (I'd argue most would never see an issue).
Considering the D610, D750, D810, Canon 6D, 5DM2... all exhibit this phenomenon I'm hesitant to get very worked up about it.
Hey Heiko, although my D810 also exhibits lens flare, you are mistaken about my Youtube link above, it is my Sinar P 4x5 with a 150 mm F5.6 Sinaron S lens that is producing the hard edge flare. It was my D810 that was doing the video capture.
The purpose was to show people that lens flare exists with many different camera and lens combos, not just the D750.
mshi wrote:
Your logic can neither hold water nor compute. Are consumers to blame for sawdust filled burgers found in many global fast food chain restaurants? Because it's their fault for wanting some fast and inexpensive food?
Yes it is partially the consumers fault. The system is only beneficial if people participate in it by making informed purchasing decisions. If everyone values price over everything else, this leads to situations in which quality is cut for the sake of price. The majority if them don't even care about the sawdust, because it's cheap.
