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p.1 #1 · Question : Shooting Formals ND Filter VS Kaesmann Polarizer


I just ordered the new Zeiss 135 f/2 ZE. I plan on using this lens along with my 200 f2L IS for the bridal portraits (Bride and Groom only, not the bridal party/family group shots).

I shoot with a Profoto Acute B2 600 Air S/R pack. It has one single Profoto head with 2.3' Profoto octabox held up on a boom pole by my assistant.

This setup is new to me. With this light, I've been shooting at around f/5.6 at 1/200 ISO 100. I want to be shooting these portraits with my PF light at f2.0-3.2. I'm considering a B+W 0.6 ND filter to make this work and I'm curious if a Kasemenn Nano Polarizer will give a similar effect. I want a more natural looking light with nice bokeh and looking for any tips or suggestions on how to get this look and still get all the benefits of the Profoto pack.

Thanks in advance for any insight on this!

Here is the pack I'm using:
http://www.adorama.com/PP901102.html







Jun 13, 2013 at 11:38 PM
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p.1 #2 · Question : Shooting Formals ND Filter VS Kaesmann Polarizer


Tell your assistant to move back a bit. Sounds like you have then right next to subject. At ISO 100 and low power I would think f2 is not a problem. I have an acute b 600 too


Jun 14, 2013 at 12:38 AM
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p.1 #3 · Question : Shooting Formals ND Filter VS Kaesmann Polarizer


Yeah, I always have her close. In school I thought they said get as close as possible (just outside the frame) for the softest light.

I'll def try having her stand back a bit. What settings do you normally use? I'm usually at Power -2 and the knob part to MAX.

I want just enough light to get the nice colors, nice blue sky and catchlights in the eyes while keeping a natural light look if that makes sense. Kurtis, can you put a link to some of your photos where you used this same Profoto light. I'd love to see what your images look like.



Jun 14, 2013 at 02:08 AM
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p.1 #4 · Question : Shooting Formals ND Filter VS Kaesmann Polarizer


Yes technically for the softest light you want the biggest modifier as close as possible outside the frame. However if it's too powerful, move that shit back, simple as that.

And perhaps, this is a crazy idea, but maybe you should try setting it to -4 on the switch and MIN on the dial if you're not able to stop down enough. It's just crazy enough to work.

Seeing what photos of mine I used it for aren't going to help you, go experiment with what you've got until you get the results you want. It's pretty easy if you put a little time into it.



Jun 14, 2013 at 03:44 AM
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p.1 #5 · Question : Shooting Formals ND Filter VS Kaesmann Polarizer


I would do .9 ND. You can always bring the ISO up a little.


Jun 14, 2013 at 03:49 AM
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p.1 #6 · Question : Shooting Formals ND Filter VS Kaesmann Polarizer


Kurtis looks like you use the two light attachment on your pack, thats why I asked. Thanks


Jun 14, 2013 at 03:50 AM
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p.1 #7 · Question : Shooting Formals ND Filter VS Kaesmann Polarizer


TTLKurtis wrote:
Yes technically for the softest light you want the biggest modifier as close as possible outside the frame. However if it's too powerful, move that shit back, simple as that.

And perhaps, this is a crazy idea, but maybe you should try setting it to -4 on the switch and MIN on the dial if you're not able to stop down enough. It's just crazy enough to work.

Seeing what photos of mine I used it for aren't going to help you, go experiment with what you've got until you get the results you want. It's pretty easy if you put a
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Sounds like he's talking about shooting outside, so f/2 would give too high a shutter to sync to... hence the ND question.

I agree on getting a .9. Better too have too much ND than not enough.



Jun 14, 2013 at 03:52 AM
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p.1 #8 · Question : Shooting Formals ND Filter VS Kaesmann Polarizer


The ND would be to knock down the background a bit, and as has been said, more is better here. 5.6-> 2.0 is 3 stops, so 8x (.9) would be the minimum you need to have the background be the same brightness.

If you are having an issue with flash power, just turn it down or back it up.




Jun 14, 2013 at 04:05 AM
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p.1 #9 · Question : Shooting Formals ND Filter VS Kaesmann Polarizer


Tony Hoffer wrote:
Sounds like he's talking about shooting outside, so f/2 would give too high a shutter to sync to... hence the ND question.

I agree on getting a .9. Better too have too much ND than not enough.


If you're not shooting in bright sunlight and you're shooting at ISO 100, you should be able to pull off f/2 at 1/250. Not sure about you guys but typically if I am using the big light I'm shooting in the evening and not trying to blast away the sun while shooting at f2 in mid-day sun.

The reason I've never messed with ND for portraits is the viewfinder becomes so dim, can't stand that. It's fine for landscapes and stuff but for people, that would drive me craaaazy



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p.1 #10 · Question : Shooting Formals ND Filter VS Kaesmann Polarizer


BostonGreg wrote:
Kurtis looks like you use the two light attachment on your pack, thats why I asked. Thanks


Generally I do not use that, especially not outdoors. That was a special circumstance for Profoto testing out the new gear. I am actually using it tomorrow though for some headshots with one acuteb600 for my background lights and two d1 1000's for my key/rim lights.



Jun 14, 2013 at 04:09 AM
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p.1 #11 · Question : Shooting Formals ND Filter VS Kaesmann Polarizer


TTLKurtis wrote:
If you're not shooting in bright sunlight and you're shooting at ISO 100, you should be able to pull off f/2 at 1/250. Not sure about you guys but typically if I am using the big light I'm shooting in the evening and not trying to blast away the sun while shooting at f2 in mid-day sun.

The reason I've never messed with ND for portraits is the viewfinder becomes so dim, can't stand that. It's fine for landscapes and stuff but for people, that would drive me craaaazy


The sun in Texas must be different . Even with ISO50, I have to shoot it at 5.6 or 4. I am usually happy with the result and do not use an ND filter.



Jun 14, 2013 at 04:23 AM
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p.1 #12 · Question : Shooting Formals ND Filter VS Kaesmann Polarizer


Robin you're talking about shooting in the evening, like at dusk?

I only stop down to 5.6+ for things like commercial headshots, generally.



Jun 14, 2013 at 04:27 AM
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p.1 #13 · Question : Shooting Formals ND Filter VS Kaesmann Polarizer


My ND filter gets a lot of use outdoors with OCF.


Jun 14, 2013 at 04:39 AM
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p.1 #14 · Question : Shooting Formals ND Filter VS Kaesmann Polarizer


ND is the way to go. I also use the .9


Jun 14, 2013 at 01:25 PM
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p.1 #15 · Question : Shooting Formals ND Filter VS Kaesmann Polarizer


B+W 77mm .9-8x #103 filter is the one I use. Too much ND is better than not enough.


Jun 14, 2013 at 05:19 PM
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p.1 #16 · Question : Shooting Formals ND Filter VS Kaesmann Polarizer


Thanks everyone. I'm going to pickup a B+W 0.9 ND MRC and try it out.


Jun 14, 2013 at 05:25 PM
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p.1 #17 · Question : Shooting Formals ND Filter VS Kaesmann Polarizer


sboerup wrote:
B+W 77mm .9-8x #103 filter is the one I use. Too much ND is better than not enough.


Okay so question... is that a variable ND filter or just 8x? I could maybe see using the variable ND since you set it to minimum walking around and then crank it up just when you need it without screwing/unscrewing a filter.

I have a B+W 1000x ND that I purchased for a specific series of 60-second exposures mid-day in New York where all the people walking around are pretty much a blur while the environment remains sharp. Obviously when you look through the camera with a 1000x ND filter all you see is darkness... lol, so it's not something you'd use for portraits.

I do have a Lee Filter kit with graduated NDs, polarizer, etc. which I've used for landscape stuff, I just can't see myself using that for people. Of course, I don't use a lot of OCF to begin with in my portraits and when I do it's right before the sun sets.

Example: Shot this with an AcuteB 600 w/ the split head cable, had two heads on pretty lower power in a 3x4 softbox and a zoom reflector. Shot at ISO 200, 1/200 w/ 35mm f/1.4 at f/1.8...




Jun 14, 2013 at 06:05 PM





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