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It might just be me but I found Palouse Falls difficult to shoot. It is like shooting into a drum of water with a faucet running. If you monitor off the base the sky is blown out. If you monitor off the sky the "Bottom" of the fall is black.. Couple this with limited compositions due to fences, cliffs, and other natural features and I left there not knowing if I got one usable image. This is the best I came up with today. As always your comments and suggestions are welcome... Thank you, Jim





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May 23, 2013 at 03:54 AM
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Maybe try a different time of day?


May 23, 2013 at 04:34 AM
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it is a tough spot....I camped there once and got the sunset which was ok and the sunrise with a nd filter. During the day would be tough for the light.

I got these which I consider pretty avg. There are much better shots out there.





Its a great area...wish it wasn't four hours from Seattle.



May 23, 2013 at 04:36 AM
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MDoc9523 wrote:
Maybe try a different time of day?


Thank you for the suggestion.. Should we return to this location (doubtful, but possible) I will take your advice.. Unfortunately, on this trip we were constrained by previous commitments. Jim



May 23, 2013 at 01:13 PM
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mike reid wrote:
it is a tough spot....I camped there once and got the sunset which was ok and the sunrise with a nd filter. During the day would be tough for the light.

I got these which I consider pretty avg. There are much better shots out there.

http://www.mikereidphotography.com/Waterfalls,%20Creeks%20and%20Flowing%20Water/slides/Magestic%20Palouse%20Falls.jpg

http://www.mikereidphotography.com/Waterfalls,%20Creeks%20and%20Flowing%20Water/slides/Palouse%20Falls%20Wider%20Eastern%20Washington.jpg

Its a great area...wish it wasn't four hours from Seattle.


Thank you. I love the composition of your second image, but could never reach this view-point. I suffer from severe vertigo.. I would like to shoot it from the bottom but have no idea how to get there without the involvement of a steep decent on narrow trails... The "Chicken" in me comes out easily... ...



May 23, 2013 at 01:19 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Palouse Falls


I always tried for afternoon when the sun would cast some light into the canyon and be at your back but not so late as to have shadows. Big fluffy clouds help and its easier when you live 2 hours away.


May 23, 2013 at 02:14 PM
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Hey Jim,

You did pretty well for the conditions that you had to work with. Mike has already given you great suggestions if you are able to get back there, or if you are presented with a similar situation in another location in the future.

My suggestion for shots like these that you have no alternative as to the time of the shot, blending then becomes your friend. You take the two shots you mentioned as to one being too bright and one being too dark, and just blend them. One other thing, if you are using ACR to process your raw shots, it's getting very good at getting detail out of darker shadows with still good detail. So if you had to try just one shot to work from, I would go with one where the highlights were just slightly blown, pull the Highlight and White sliders all the way to -100 to recover the highlights, and then pull the shadow detail to 100. See what you get.

Jim



May 23, 2013 at 04:47 PM
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and I hear you about the vertigo....if any place will give it to you this place will.

Sometimes I feel like I should get a climbing harness and tie off against the nearest solid tree/fence/etc

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May 23, 2013 at 06:05 PM
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Your best other than blending and HDR is to shoot the scene when it is overcast. This may be impractical if your not from the area.
Looks like a great place with lots of potential.
The shot you posted is not bad at all. Contast adjustments may help.
Harsha



May 23, 2013 at 06:31 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Palouse Falls


ben egbert wrote:
I always tried for afternoon when the sun would cast some light into the canyon and be at your back but not so late as to have shadows. Big fluffy clouds help and its easier when you live 2 hours away.


Thanks Ben. This was a difficult location that we might stop by again.. Hate to let a shot "Beat me".. Jim



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JimFox wrote:
Hey Jim,

You did pretty well for the conditions that you had to work with. Mike has already given you great suggestions if you are able to get back there, or if you are presented with a similar situation in another location in the future.

My suggestion for shots like these that you have no alternative as to the time of the shot, blending then becomes your friend. You take the two shots you mentioned as to one being too bright and one being too dark, and just blend them. One other thing, if you are using ACR to process your raw
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Thank you Jim you have been very helpful...



May 23, 2013 at 11:31 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Palouse Falls


mike reid wrote:
and I hear you about the vertigo....if any place will give it to you this place will.

Sometimes I feel like I should get a climbing harness and tie off against the nearest solid tree/fence/etc


I thought about asking my wife to hang on to me while I got close but then realized she is my beneficiary...



May 23, 2013 at 11:35 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Palouse Falls


harshaj1 wrote:
Your best other than blending and HDR is to shoot the scene when it is overcast. This may be impractical if your not from the area.
Looks like a great place with lots of potential.
The shot you posted is not bad at all. Contast adjustments may help.
Harsha


Harsha; You are very kind.. I most likely will go back and shoot it again, if I can get the chance... Jim



May 23, 2013 at 11:39 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Palouse Falls


I was there last Saturday and like you said, it is difficult to find a different angle of the falls.


May 24, 2013 at 12:15 AM
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zeelichsheng wrote:
I was there last Saturday and like you said, it is difficult to find a different angle of the falls.


As bad as it might sound I am glad is was not just me.. I thought I had lost it when I saw the situation, lighting, composition, etc.. Guess this just shows we have more to learn. Thank you for the input. Jim



May 24, 2013 at 04:59 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Palouse Falls


I used HDR in an attempt to get better lighting. My biggest problem at this time was that I did not have a wide enough lens.

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May 24, 2013 at 07:51 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Palouse Falls


I think that I would have tried a graduated neutral density filter in this situation.
The top of the falls look fairly flat so you could block the sky and open the falls.
Regards
Paul



May 24, 2013 at 10:01 PM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Palouse Falls


I like the image.
Most of the discussion seems to be about how to approach the problems in better ways.
I just fiddled with brightness/contrast, and sharpening and got this:
Maybe not better- but it is different .
Charlie







May 24, 2013 at 10:46 PM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Palouse Falls


ront wrote:
I used HDR in an attempt to get better lighting. My biggest problem at this time was that I did not have a wide enough lens.

Ron

http://ront.smugmug.com/Places/Day-Trips/Palouse-Falls-1222011/i-nfMHqph/0/XL/_DSC3622_3_4_tonemapped-2ca-XL.jpg

http://ront.smugmug.com/Places/Day-Trips/Palouse-Falls-1222011/i-qFgZ9NV/0/XL/_DSC3497_8_9_tonemappedCA-XL.jpg


Thanks Ron... HDR would have been an option that I overlooked. Jim



May 25, 2013 at 02:42 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Palouse Falls


Paul Gardner wrote:
I think that I would have tried a graduated neutral density filter in this situation.
The top of the falls look fairly flat so you could block the sky and open the falls.
Regards
Paul


Thanks Paul... Since leaving this location, & posting this, I have received numerous great suggestions... ND filters could have help, I think... ... It never crossed my mind. Jim



May 25, 2013 at 02:46 PM
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