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p.1 #1 · Best upgrade from 400D with 16-35mm II and 70-200 F4 IS


I am not professional and shoot landscape, portrait, family events, night photography, and as I have not had a video option on my 400D (which I had from new) not sure if I would need it or give it a priority.

Got the 400D since Jan 2008(or was it Jan 2007? I cant remember) since then got few more accessories and some good glass: 16-35mm f2.8 II, 70-200 F4 IS USM, 430EX II, ST-E2

Things I do not like on my 400D: slow and focusing hunt in bad light or close to some subjects, would like to get a good macro lens as to complete my setup. High noise level in higher ISO.

Looking to buy a used body, not much of a budget: 5D MKIII is the best but too expensive even used, 5D MKII around 1000 and a good used 7D around 600 and a 6D is around the same price as the 5D MKII

To get the best of my glass do I really need to pay for a FF body? I have always wanted the wide angel but not really sure if I need the ultra wide from FF?

I like the 7D for its focusing system and the fact I can use the 430EX II without ST-E2.

My questions:
1. Which will be the best body to go for to take the most out of my glass?
2. Is FF really worth it with my current glass? or recommended?



May 18, 2013 at 08:26 PM
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p.1 #2 · Best upgrade from 400D with 16-35mm II and 70-200 F4 IS


In my opinion (the 400D was my first DSLR too), yes, "full-frame" is definitely noticeably better, and you have two lenses perfectly suited for that. If you're satisfied using just the center AF point, and you can live with a shutter sound that isn't especially quiet, the 5D II would be great for you. I've never used a 6D, so I can't comment on that. You'd raise your eyebrows at the files you get from either of those, and both your lenses are well worthy of either.


May 18, 2013 at 08:38 PM
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p.1 #3 · Best upgrade from 400D with 16-35mm II and 70-200 F4 IS


Both the 5DII and 6D will get more out of your lenses.


May 19, 2013 at 05:42 AM
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p.1 #4 · Best upgrade from 400D with 16-35mm II and 70-200 F4 IS


Budget is the key thing here. If you can afford it, the 5D II is perhaps the best value upgrade for image quality. For a little more the 6D also gets good reviews. If you can't stretch that far a 5D original is very capable but definitely lacking in mod cons.

You don't need to go to FF to get better IQ though. A 7D is a big improvement on the 400D, and has all the modern conveniences including great AF. If you like the Rebel size format a later year used Rebel (550D or later) would also be a good option.



May 19, 2013 at 07:57 AM
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p.1 #5 · Best upgrade from 400D with 16-35mm II and 70-200 F4 IS


I had a 7D, and the IQ from the one I had was not in the same league as that from the 5D II I had; not to mention that there was a lot more noise in the 7D's files. I'd recommend avoiding the 7D, and probably any other 1.6x crop camera, since the 7D seems to be considered the best of them.


May 19, 2013 at 12:47 PM
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p.1 #6 · Best upgrade from 400D with 16-35mm II and 70-200 F4 IS


As much as I see little need for me to go FF I will admit that its a best path if your shooting landscapes / people etc .

And you've got very good ff glass . My only concern is you will find the 16-35 a very different animal on FF compared to the near 'standard' zoom it is on your crop. So you may also be considering a 24-70 type lens as well .

Anyway as far as bodies are concerned I'd choose (assuming the 5D3 is out of range) the 6D over a 5D2 anyday . A mk1 5D would be a consideration considering the low price they are now (4-500)
But then as long as you don't want modern features and the latest in HI ISO ability then the 1Ds2 is cheap enough now to be a serious consideration . You can find them around 700 - 1000 (tops)

With any of the above (the 1series in particular) I'd keep the 400D as well . There are plenty of times a smaller body size comes in handy



May 19, 2013 at 01:21 PM
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p.1 #7 · Best upgrade from 400D with 16-35mm II and 70-200 F4 IS


Ernie Aubert wrote:
I had a 7D, and the IQ from the one I had was not in the same league as that from the 5D II I had; not to mention that there was a lot more noise in the 7D's files. I'd recommend avoiding the 7D, and probably any other 1.6x crop camera, since the 7D seems to be considered the best of them.


Hmm... thanks for your reply as I almost got a 7D but now have to reconsider my options ;(

Looking for a body with good IQ (6d or 5dII) low noise(not good on the 7D) and a good AF which is back to 7d.

If I go FF then might sell the 16-35 and get 24-105 instead and keep the 70-200. Still considering my options and not made my mind yet



May 19, 2013 at 08:16 PM
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p.1 #8 · Best upgrade from 400D with 16-35mm II and 70-200 F4 IS


I agree that the 16-35 is not much of a standard zoom on FF. But I'd hate for you to sell it as it is a wonderful lens for landscapes on FF. If I were you I would hold on to the 16-35, get any FF you can afford + a 24-105. I think with your shooting profile you won't need the f/2.8 of the 24-70 and the 24-105 has a bit more range and IS. You can always sell the 16-35 later if you don't use it anymore.

If budget allows I'd say get a used 5DmkII + 24-105. If it doesn't I know I would rather have a 5Dclassic + 24-105 than just a 5DmkII. There's another topic going on (we've reached a ridiculous 8 pages so far) that you may find interesting to read. I've owned a 5D for 7 years and own a 5DmkII now too. I've owned the 70-200/4 IS (sold it for the 70-200/2.8), and own the 16-35mkII, 24-105 and 35L. I'm here to help. You can always shoot me a pm if you like.

Stay good,

Ralph



May 19, 2013 at 10:00 PM
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p.1 #9 · Best upgrade from 400D with 16-35mm II and 70-200 F4 IS


win2kpro wrote:
Hmm... thanks for your reply as I almost got a 7D but now have to reconsider my options ;(

Looking for a body with good IQ (6d or 5dII) low noise(not good on the 7D) and a good AF which is back to 7d.

If I go FF then might sell the 16-35 and get 24-105 instead and keep the 70-200. Still considering my options and not made my mind yet


The 7D has a steeper learning curve to get the best out of it and above ISO 800 it will fall behind the FF and 1.3x crop cameras, but it does very well to ISO 1600 and it sounds like for your needs that would be fine. Having said that, a 5D II or 6D will be better, but don't expect greatly improved AF if you shoot moving subjects caompared to your 400D, but the central point at least is very good in general fro static and slower moving subjects, and 6D can focus in very dark conditions.



May 19, 2013 at 11:17 PM
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p.1 #10 · Best upgrade from 400D with 16-35mm II and 70-200 F4 IS


Hi Whayne,
I never was interested in a 6D myself, but I'm curious if the AF is better at all than the 5DmkII. Do you have any experience with it that you can share?

Stay good,

Ralph



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p.1 #11 · Best upgrade from 400D with 16-35mm II and 70-200 F4 IS


I'm in a similar situation as yourself with a few very nice capable L series lenses, but a lesser entry level DSLR (450D).

For info: 16-35L, 24-70L, 50 / 1.4

I've been round the houses for months, trying to decide between the 5dii, 5diii and 6d.

I "think" (for the moment at least) the 6D is winning, for a couple of reasons.

1) I cant justify nor really say I'd get the most out of the additional features of the 5diii vs the other options, hence I could put that 1000 premium towards another L lens or a photography holiday

2) Price wise, a good used 5dii is around 1100 in the UK. Whereas for 1200 I can get a new 6d - so cost wise, they are essentially the same - 10% of each other.

3) 6d AF reviews suggests it is more capable than the 5dii, fast enough, accurate and decent at low light with the -3EV centre point.

4) DIGIC 5 processor vs DIGIC 4 - lower noise.

5) Its marginally smaller and lighter. (although not a huge driver for me, a nice to have)

6) Just for good measure 1000 cheaper and from where I sit 90% the same camera as the 5diiii in terms of what I realisically use. Can do alot with a 1000!

So, for me - I'm 99% convinced its a 6D for me with a view shooting a good mix of genres - Landscapes, Street, Travel is my usual.

Cheers!
Ben




May 20, 2013 at 12:39 PM
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p.1 #12 · Best upgrade from 400D with 16-35mm II and 70-200 F4 IS


Read this:

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1210983

I just upgraded from a 400D that I owned since I bought it new. It sounds like I had a similar budget, but perhaps a little less. And, it sounds like I had similar needs (wasn't sure if I wanted/needed video, but was interested in trying). I was specifically trying to decide between 5D1, 1Ds1, or 7D.

Anyway, I got a great deal on a 7D and jumped on it. I couldn't be happier. I just asked your same questions last week and got some good info, so I hope it can help you. You can also see my first impressions after upgrading, but I can summarize:

- 7D is a billion times better camera that 400D (AF, AE, controls, etc)

- Image quality won't knock your socks off, but it is noticeably better

- Video is actually a pretty good thing to have for the family man, and I'll probably use it more as time goes on.



May 20, 2013 at 01:18 PM
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p.1 #13 · Best upgrade from 400D with 16-35mm II and 70-200 F4 IS


I went from a 550D to a 6D and I love it, a marked improvement! I'm with rabbitmountain... I'd try to hold on to the 16-35II and add a 24-105 to your collection, it's the kit lens for Canons FF range, so you should be able to pick up a secondhand one at a competitive price!


May 20, 2013 at 01:43 PM
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p.1 #14 · Best upgrade from 400D with 16-35mm II and 70-200 F4 IS


the888account wrote:
2) Price wise, a good used 5dii is around 1100 in the UK. Whereas for 1200 I can get a new 6d - so cost wise, they are essentially the same - 10% of each other.
Cheers!
Ben


Thanks Ben, but where can you get the 6D in the UK for 1200?



May 20, 2013 at 01:46 PM
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p.1 #15 · Best upgrade from 400D with 16-35mm II and 70-200 F4 IS


danb121 wrote:
I went from a 550D to a 6D and I love it, a marked improvement! I'm with rabbitmountain... I'd try to hold on to the 16-35II and add a 24-105 to your collection, it's the kit lens for Canons FF range, so you should be able to pick up a secondhand one at a competitive price!


Thanks, seems like if I want to invest in a FF best options would be 6D else 7D?




May 20, 2013 at 01:48 PM
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p.1 #16 · Best upgrade from 400D with 16-35mm II and 70-200 F4 IS


Depends what you are shooting, if you want to track fast moving objects and you need extra reach the 7D would be the better option but for landscape, low light, architecture and portraits I'd suggest a 5D2 or a 6D... others may agree or disagree but that's my opinion.


May 20, 2013 at 02:28 PM
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p.1 #17 · Best upgrade from 400D with 16-35mm II and 70-200 F4 IS


As Ben says you should be able to pick up a grey import 6D for 1200, it may cause you a bit of grief if it goes wrong so you'll need to weigh up the pros and cons of buying a grey import.
Take a look at the 6D shutup and shoot thread, there are some fine examples of how good the camera is!!



May 20, 2013 at 02:32 PM
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p.1 #18 · Best upgrade from 400D with 16-35mm II and 70-200 F4 IS


win2kpro wrote:
Thanks Ben, but where can you get the 6D in the UK for 1200?


DigitalRev.com

They are based in Hong Kong. They currently have the 6D in for a shade under 1200 including shipping, handling & import charges through UK customs.

Price includes 12months local warranty (within the UK) - no need to return to HK.

I've personally never used them, but they seem to have a good online reputations (PM me and I can point you to the link, I'm not sure what the rules are on posting to another forum here?)

That is where I am looking to get mine from. Its a slight risk I think in taking a Grey Import, but they do offer a warranty. I guess the worst case way I look at it is, if it goes wrong, they refuse the warranty for some reason and it costs me 400 to fix - Thats still the price of a UK sourced model.

If the prices were closer, Id probably take a UK model for "piece of mind". 30% discount sweetens the risk vs reward for me.

Check them out.



May 20, 2013 at 02:37 PM
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p.1 #19 · Best upgrade from 400D with 16-35mm II and 70-200 F4 IS


danb121 wrote:
I went from a 550D to a 6D and I love it, a marked improvement! I'm with rabbitmountain... I'd try to hold on to the 16-35II and add a 24-105 to your collection, it's the kit lens for Canons FF range, so you should be able to pick up a secondhand one at a competitive price!


Just ordered a 6D grey import, looking forward to it

Next: buying a good SD card, any suggestions?



May 20, 2013 at 04:47 PM
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p.1 #20 · Best upgrade from 400D with 16-35mm II and 70-200 F4 IS


I just upgraded from a 450D to a 6D, and what a difference! You should enjoy your new toy.

For SC cards, I've used Transcend, SanDisk and a new Lexar Platinum II (it came with the 6D kit). All have worked fine for me.



May 20, 2013 at 06:43 PM
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