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Archive 2013 · Rolleiflex 80 mm F 2.8 Zeiss TLR equivalent?

  
 
wolfloid
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p.1 #1 · Rolleiflex 80 mm F 2.8 Zeiss TLR equivalent?


I love the look of my Tri X 400 B&W prints from this camera at all apertures at 20" or 24" square. At F2.8 they are centrally sharp with excellent subject isolation with a very creamy fall off. At higher apertures there is delightful tonality, microcontrast and sharp detail.

How can I get close to this tonality and microcontrast with a digital set up, at close to those print sizes? What 50 mm f 1.4 lens could I use on my Canon 5DII, or should I be looking at a Leica MM or the new M240 with a Leica or Zeiss 50?

Any experienced advice?




May 14, 2013 at 12:31 PM
alwang
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p.1 #2 · Rolleiflex 80 mm F 2.8 Zeiss TLR equivalent?


Do you have any sample images which demonstrate the qualities you're after?

I'm finding that my Rokkor 58/1.2 (which can be adapted to Canon) gives something of a medium-format-film feel, though not quite the same.


symmetric by alwang, on Flickr



May 14, 2013 at 12:46 PM
Tariq Gibran
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p.1 #3 · Rolleiflex 80 mm F 2.8 Zeiss TLR equivalent?


You will not get the exact subject isolation and focus fall-off simply because of the huge difference in format size between 2 1/4 and FF 35. The other thing you did not mention is which lens you used on the TLR - was it a Planar or Tessar? They render a bit differently with the Tessar being more what I would consider having a creamy fall off. The Planar's I have used on the Rolleiflexes were super sharp but the bokeh was not generally creamy.

Edit. Thinking about it, you must be referring to a Planar since I do not believe the Tessar was offered in 80mm, but 75mm on the Rollie TLR's

You might look at the ZE 50mm Makro-Planar.



May 14, 2013 at 12:47 PM
wolfloid
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p.1 #4 · Rolleiflex 80 mm F 2.8 Zeiss TLR equivalent?


you did not mention is which lens you used on the TLR - was it a Planar or Tessar? They render a bit differently with the Tessar being more what I would consider having a creamy fall off. The Planar's I have used on the Rolleiflexes were super sharp but the bokeh was not generally creamy.

Actually I did - only the Planars are f 2.8. I would describe the fall off/boke as very creamy, nevertheless.





May 14, 2013 at 01:25 PM
Tariq Gibran
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p.1 #5 · Rolleiflex 80 mm F 2.8 Zeiss TLR equivalent?


wolfloid wrote:
Actually I did - only the Planars are f 2.8. I would describe the fall off/boke as very creamy, nevertheless.



Nope, the Rolleiflex A had a 80mm 2.8 Tessar so actually we are both wrong. I thought all the Tessar's used were 75mm.

http://www.rolleiclub.com/cameras/tlr/info/A-F_tlr.shtml




May 14, 2013 at 01:32 PM
wolfloid
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p.1 #6 · Rolleiflex 80 mm F 2.8 Zeiss TLR equivalent?


Thanks for the informative link Tariq.


May 14, 2013 at 01:43 PM
Tariq Gibran
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p.1 #7 · Rolleiflex 80 mm F 2.8 Zeiss TLR equivalent?


I don't think print size will be an issue at all with whatever you choose. There are probably two ways to look for what you want. If you are a little flexible on focal length, you could do as suggested above and use a slightly longer lens. The other option is to find a really exceptional 50 1.4 (exceptional when shot wide open that is). That way, you could achieve something close to a similar dof look at 1.4 on FF 35 as the Rolleiflex shot at 2.8. I'm not sure if the standard Zeiss Planar ZE 50 is that great wide open which is one reason I suggested the Makro. I'm curous what others will suggest - perhaps it will end up being a modern, fast Leica Summilux?


May 14, 2013 at 01:53 PM
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p.1 #8 · Rolleiflex 80 mm F 2.8 Zeiss TLR equivalent?


I dont think the MP has a stylistic rendering anywhere close to a Rolleiflex 2.8 Planar.

the ZM planar isn't that far I guess off but is a bit tight compared to the Rollei. probably has something to do with the ZM planar being fairly symmetrical. fwiw I consider the ZM planar, and to a great extent the Rolleiflex planar (which I own and used to own, respectively) as being frustratingly boring lenses. I will admit I sometimes look at images made by the MP and contemplate it but I will never be able to ditch the Leica body.

if you truly desire the MF look in 35mm then I dont think you can top the 50 Lux ASPH. it gives the look of a longer focal length without losing the field of view.



May 14, 2013 at 04:19 PM
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p.1 #9 · Rolleiflex 80 mm F 2.8 Zeiss TLR equivalent?


Any experienced advice?

Well, this is an observational advice - How about the Contarex Planars? It's from the same family and rather exceptional at wide open. I've no idea how it could be attached to a 5DII, having a register of 46mm and no aperture ring, but Flickr got plenty of samples with Nikon and Canon FF. Here are some (I already had it compiled some time ago for a friend):

50/2.0
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Film:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/86176478@N00/4014991570/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/filmforlife/5502613964/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/filmforlife/5725852825/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/oldstrat/7465667072/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/manyung/671083927/

FF Digital
http://www.flickr.com/photos/yanamodake/4527899126/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/yanamodake/4511045606/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/astroman-photo/5467928000/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/whitedragon09/8013437048/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamgirlplus/7172555055/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamgirlplus/7181730320/
http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=all&q=contarex+planar+5d2&m=text (multiples for 5DII )

55/1.4
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Film:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/manyung/670969447/in/photostream/
FF Digital
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyrilchen/5404220738/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyrilchen/5612861064/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyrilchen/5404208356/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/astroman-photo/6008646474/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/astroman-photo/6008099783/




May 14, 2013 at 04:37 PM
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p.1 #10 · Rolleiflex 80 mm F 2.8 Zeiss TLR equivalent?


Leica and Noctilux might be answer (expensive answer tho).

While its not same, most MF lens work rather well on FF cams. Certainly there is a lot of MF feel from most MF lens.

If you can afford new Leica, why not MFDB? Obviously you wont get that big sensor size, but its still much better than any FF can do.



May 14, 2013 at 05:17 PM





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