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cameron12x
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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · 400mm f/5.6 IS


I know there has been much discussion about such a hypothetical lens.

At what price point would the production of such a new lens essentially kill 400mm f/4 DO sales?

Or could they co-exist?

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May 14, 2013 at 05:19 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · 400mm f/5.6 IS


If you are asking whether the 400 f 5.6 lens is good, you are wasting bandwidth. The DO iteration is viewed as a joke, and it is. The 400 f5.6 kicks major butt. If Canon creates an update to this lens, katy, bar the door.


May 14, 2013 at 05:24 AM
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macentropist wrote:
The DO iteration is viewed as a joke, and it is.


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May 14, 2013 at 06:30 AM
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macentropist wrote:
]The DO iteration is viewed as a joke, and it is.


I hated the 400 DO I rented. Couldn't take a sharp picture to save its life.

http://www.willp-photo.com/photos/2012/LagunaSeca-Turner/content/images/large/WPP_7866.jpg

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http://www.willp-photo.com/photos/2012/LagunaSecaGrandAm/content/images/large/WPP_8390.jpg

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Just terrible. I wanted to throw it off a cliff after that weekend.



May 14, 2013 at 07:15 AM
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cameron12x wrote:
I know there has much discussion about such a hypothetical lens.

At what price point would the production of such a new lens essentially kill 400mm f/4 DO sales?

Or could they co-exist?



I think Canon is going with the mindset with that lens that with today's ISO capabilities, the 400 5.6 is still an excellent budget birding lens. Just turn up the ISO to get more shutter speed with little side effects. Most people buy it to use on a 1.6x body like the 7D or 60D which gives an effective focal length of 640mm which is prime birding territory reach.



May 14, 2013 at 07:19 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · 400mm f/5.6 IS


Will Patterson wrote:
I hated the 400 DO I rented. Couldn't take a sharp picture to save its life.

Just terrible. I wanted to throw it off a cliff after that weekend.


I see what you mean; coke bottles have better performance.




May 14, 2013 at 07:30 AM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · 400mm f/5.6 IS


I'd love a 400 or 500 5.6 with IS, but I doubt we'll see anything before a 100-400 refresher...


May 14, 2013 at 10:58 AM
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macentropist wrote:
The DO iteration is viewed as a joke, and it is. The 400 f5.6 kicks major butt. .



The best thing about the internet is that it gives anyone the opportunity to say what he/she wishes to say. The worst thing about the internet is that it gives anyone the opportunity to say what he/she wishes to say.

That reality has made the internet the greatest source of information in the history of the world, and it has also made the internet the greatest source of misinformation and drivel in the history of the world. And forum discussions, regardless of the topic, can be superb examples of both.

Les



May 14, 2013 at 11:45 AM
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Pixel Perfect wrote:
I see what you mean; coke bottles have better performance.



Hahaha. I agree with you guys, I should stop taking my 400 DO to racetracks as well and just use my iPhone for the pictures instead.

Thanks for the pictures by the way, not a lot of people post their 400 DO work. I'll be using my 400 DO to photograph the Grand-Am series in Indianapolis in July.




May 14, 2013 at 12:43 PM
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macentropist wrote:
If you are asking whether the 400 f 5.6 lens is good, you are wasting bandwidth. The DO iteration is viewed as a joke, and it is. The 400 f5.6 kicks major butt. If Canon creates an update to this lens, katy, bar the door.


Joke? I think the joke is on you this time. I did experience lower contrast with the copies that I have used but that was easily fixed in PP. It's a sharp lens, and indispensable in situations where weight is an issue.




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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · 400mm f/5.6 IS


I expect it to sell for double the price of the non-IS version.


May 14, 2013 at 03:03 PM
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macentropist wrote:
If you are asking whether the 400 f 5.6 lens is good, you are wasting bandwidth. The DO iteration is viewed as a joke, and it is. The 400 f5.6 kicks major butt. If Canon creates an update to this lens, katy, bar the door.


You obviously can't read. Where did I ask a question whether the 400mm f/5.6 is a good lens?

Answer: I know it's a great lens, since I've owned one for over 10 years!

You, sir, are the one who wasted some precious electrons. EOM.



May 14, 2013 at 03:22 PM
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dolina wrote:
I expect it to sell for double the price of the non-IS version.


That would be my guess as well. So, back to the original question (refined somewhat).

Would an improved 400mm f/5.6 IS selling at approximately $2500 kill sales of the 400mm f/4 DO lens? Or could they co-exist?



May 14, 2013 at 03:25 PM
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cameron12x wrote:
That would be my guess as well. So, back to the original question (refined somewhat).

Would an improved 400mm f/5.6 IS selling at approximately $2500 kill sales of the 400mm f/4 DO lens? Or could they co-exist?


I don't see why they couldn't exist. Canon makes a 300/4 IS and a 300/2.8 IS, and people are willing to pay 5 to 6 times the price for the 300/2.8 because it offers things that the 300/4 does not, namely an extra stop of light and better image quality. Similarly, the 400 DO would offer an extra stop of light and much shorter minimum focus distance, and it would do so with minimal additional weight compared to a 400/5.6 IS. I suspect that people who value being able to shoot at f4 with the mobility and ability to easily hand hold that a 4 pound lens offers would still be willing to pay a premium for those capabilities just like people who value what a 300/2.8 can do are willing to pay a (high) premium over what they would be paying for a 300/4.

Further, the DO has never been a high production/sales volume lens. Those who have bought it would still likely value what it offers. If a 400/5.6 IS pushed the price for a 400/5.6 to the $2500 range and narrowed the price difference between the 400/5.6 and the DO, that might actually push more people to spend the extra money for the DO than the number of those who now choose it over the current 400/5.6 at around $1200. Also, while many turned away from the DO for years because of its price relative to the prices of other Canon long glass, with the dramatic price increases of the Mark II super telephoto lenses, the 400 DO is now looking like a long lens bargain.

That said, I don't really expect that we will be seeing a 400/5.6 IS at any time in the near future. While there are many who would love to see a 5.6 IS, the current lens is (with the 100-400 and, perhaps, the 300/4) the loss cost compact alternative to pricey long lenses. I suspect that a $2500 IS version would cost Canon quite a few sales that it now realizes with a $1200 lens. The current lens allows people with a more limited budget to combine it with a 60D or a 7D or even one of the Rebels for around $2000 or less, and, while that combination may not be as capable as a $10,000 or $20,000 camera-lens combination, it will still get them most of the shots that they want to get. Additionally, the 400/5.6 is, for many, a gateway to lenses that cost 8 to 10 times more. It is hard to see how eliminating that gateway would, in the long term, be in Canon's financial interest.

Les



May 14, 2013 at 04:45 PM
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cameron12x wrote:
That would be my guess as well. So, back to the original question (refined somewhat).

Would an improved 400mm f/5.6 IS selling at approximately $2500 kill sales of the 400mm f/4 DO lens? Or could they co-exist?


Good question. For me I much rather have the extra stop of speed, but given we may never see a DO II and even if we do price will no doubt be circa $8-10K, a 400 f/5.6L IS would be very welcome and probably have better IQ then the existing DO along with hopefully much improved mfd (over both). However, I would plead with Canon to make either a 500 f/5.6L IS or a 100-500 f/4-5.6L IS instead. 400mm while useful on croppers like the 7D is for me insufficient a lot of time. A lightweight (or relatively so) 500mm prime or zoom would be awesome and make the ideal travel lens when keeping gear to a minimum.



May 14, 2013 at 10:29 PM
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Will Patterson wrote:
I think Canon is going with the mindset with that lens that with today's ISO capabilities, the 400 5.6 is still an excellent budget birding lens.


And it is. It's a very sharp, very simple lens. IIRC, it only has 7 elements. 7 pieces of glass! And it's reputed to be very sharp. Why fix it if it isn't broken?

If they want to build an IS version, then maybe they could build a separate lens. But dollars to donuts, it will cost a fair amount more.



May 15, 2013 at 01:42 AM
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macentropist wrote:
The DO iteration is viewed as a joke, and it is.


More like your comment is a joke.



May 15, 2013 at 02:24 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · 400mm f/5.6 IS


The current one is around $1249 so I would expect a 400mm f/5.6 IS to go for at least double... $2399 sounds about right to me.

The 100-400 II will probably be around $2800, when it does eventually come.



May 15, 2013 at 02:29 AM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · 400mm f/5.6 IS


Canon 70-200 F/4 non IS $629
Canon 70-200 F/4 IS $1149

Canon 70-200 F2.8 non IS $1299
Canon 70-200 F/2.8 "MKII" IS $2199. The MKII price had a boost from the MKI on its own improvement
so I see the difference there as not just due to the IS.
Prices from B&H.

I don't doubt the price of an IS version of the 400 F/5.6 would be a fair bit higher but
when I see the Dollar difference on the 70-200s which are zooms, (if that makes a difference)
I would find doubling the price of a very simple construction lens for the addition of IS
would be cause for a big Hmmmmmm as much as I would like one, and I own both the 100-400 and the fixed focal length 400 F/5.6.



May 15, 2013 at 03:03 AM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · 400mm f/5.6 IS


If Canon released a 400mm F5.6 with 4 stop IS for $1600 or $1800 it would be tempting
if more expensive, just keep using the current 400mm F5.6

what I would like to see is a 500mm F5.6 IS
that would be ideal. 500mm & hand holdable
Sigma is out only hope for this.
I cannot see Canon doing it and harming sales of the 500mm F4



May 15, 2013 at 02:50 PM
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