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p.1 #1 · D5100 vs. D600 with same 24-70 lens - huge IQ difference?


I am struggling with a decision on whether to move on beyond my entry level D5100 to a full frame D600. My question: With the same 24-70 f2.8 lens, will there be a huge difference in image quality on thd D600 vs. the D5100? Is that difference only seen in larger prints or is it noticeable even on the screen?

Your advice and help is very much appreciated.

Dan



May 07, 2013 at 01:14 AM
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p.1 #2 · D5100 vs. D600 with same 24-70 lens - huge IQ difference?


Yes there will be a difference. Less color shift = better more accurate colors, better dof, top lcd, DO it man



May 07, 2013 at 01:48 AM
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p.1 #3 · D5100 vs. D600 with same 24-70 lens - huge IQ difference?


Mataz426 wrote:
Yes there will be a difference. Less color shift = better more accurate colors, better dof, top lcd, DO it man


There's actually less color shift on the D5100 than the D600, at least for shadows, and the difference is significant. The D600, like most FF sensors, will resolve more detail than the D5100 for lessor lenses or lenses at their sub-optimal apertures, like wide open. The D600 will also have a 1.3x stop advantage in High ISO performance, at least for situations where you're not DOF limited.



May 07, 2013 at 01:53 AM
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p.1 #4 · D5100 vs. D600 with same 24-70 lens - huge IQ difference?


I will do the switch even only for the large bright viewfinder of D600. This will secure better images for sure.


May 07, 2013 at 12:03 PM
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p.1 #5 · D5100 vs. D600 with same 24-70 lens - huge IQ difference?


I went from the D7000 to the D600 and noticed a big difference with the raw files in post. So yes, I think if you are considering the switch then you won't regret it.


May 07, 2013 at 12:20 PM
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p.1 #6 · D5100 vs. D600 with same 24-70 lens - huge IQ difference?


There will be a big difference in image quality above ISO 3200.
There will also be a big difference if you print above 17x25
I doubt if you will/can notice any difference in an 8x10 print shot at optimum conditions.



May 07, 2013 at 12:31 PM
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p.1 #7 · D5100 vs. D600 with same 24-70 lens - huge IQ difference?


For what the OP shoots (landscapes, macro, large DOF, base ISO) I don't think there will be a huge IQ difference. A D600 + 24-70 will also be much heavier than the D5100 + any lens, which has to be considered for travel applications.


May 07, 2013 at 02:00 PM
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p.1 #8 · D5100 vs. D600 with same 24-70 lens - huge IQ difference?


edl415 wrote:
For what the OP shoots (landscapes, macro, large DOF, base ISO) I don't think there will be a huge IQ difference. A D600 + 24-70 will also be much heavier than the D5100 + any lens, which has to be considered for travel applications.


It's actually only 10 ounces heavier, so I wouldn't say "much heavier". But here's the advantages he'll gain IMO.

Better detail in landscapes.
More ability to crop without losing IQ.
MUCH better noise handling at higher ISO's.
A great big wonderful viewfinder.

Just to name a few.



May 07, 2013 at 02:18 PM
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p.1 #9 · D5100 vs. D600 with same 24-70 lens - huge IQ difference?


leighton w wrote:
It's actually only 10 ounces heavier, so I wouldn't say "much heavier". But here's the advantages he'll gain IMO.

Better detail in landscapes.
More ability to crop without losing IQ.
MUCH better noise handling at higher ISO's.
A great big wonderful viewfinder.

Just to name a few.


Being a D700 shooter myself, I agree with the points you listed. There are many nice features offered by the current batch of FX bodies. However I don't believe the actual output will be significantly different when the OP primarily shoots at base ISO with f/8-f/11 apertures.

For base ISO stopped down usage, a D5100 + 16-85 VR lens would satisfy the OP's needs. At 1045g, that's 25 ounces (1.5 pounds) lighter than a D600 + 24-70. That's significant since you can also downsize other items as well (bag, tripod).

In any event, I would rent a D600 + 24-70 setup first before spending $4K as while there are tangible benefits to nicer gear, any modern DSLR can produce great 20x30 prints with proper technique. If you're just looking at photos on your monitor it's not worth upgrading.



May 07, 2013 at 04:42 PM
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p.1 #10 · D5100 vs. D600 with same 24-70 lens - huge IQ difference?


thanks all for the feedback!

Note that even though my images on Flickr do concentrate around base ISO at f/8-f/11, i am still learning and find myself frequently frustrated at lower image quality in low light situations. Perhaps it's the operator (me), but I do have a feeling that the image quality will go up with a larger sensor.

How much of a learning curve going from D5100 to D600?



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p.1 #11 · D5100 vs. D600 with same 24-70 lens - huge IQ difference?


For practical photography you are not going to see a difference unless you print large or you are shooting high ISO. Don't waste your money.


May 07, 2013 at 07:11 PM
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p.1 #12 · D5100 vs. D600 with same 24-70 lens - huge IQ difference?


And don't just take my word for it, check out an article on this subject on Thom Hogan's front page (scroll down a bit)

http://www.bythom.com/



May 07, 2013 at 07:15 PM
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p.1 #13 · D5100 vs. D600 with same 24-70 lens - huge IQ difference?


I've owned both bodies and shot landscapes with them. Just looking at the images straight up, not much difference. Actual camera usage-- BIG BIG BIG difference. The D600 will make your life way easier... more external buttons for control, bigger VF, more AF points, top LCD, better ergonomics (than the D5100), better live view focusing, better options with Mup/shutter delay, WU-1B add-on, dual cards, and best of all: custom U1/U2 settings.

The "not so obvious" difference albeit a huge deal: Fantastic DR. Especially when leveling shadow and highlight areas. For your purpose, I think you will really like the D600.



May 07, 2013 at 08:15 PM
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p.1 #14 · D5100 vs. D600 with same 24-70 lens - huge IQ difference?


Unless you want to hang large prints on your walls, you probably won't notice the difference.




May 08, 2013 at 11:07 PM
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I think too many people discount the idea of 20+ mp sensors today by not foreseeing that there will be equivalent displays in the future. You don't take photos for the enjoyment of them today as much as you do for their enjoyment in the future. One day a 36mp photo from a D800 may be the minimum you'll be willing to display regardless of how much you did right with the equipment you had at the time. I think buy the best you can afford and enjoy the hell out of it.


May 09, 2013 at 12:57 AM
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p.1 #16 · D5100 vs. D600 with same 24-70 lens - huge IQ difference?


Why not just get a D7100? With what you save, you could buy a Samyang 24mm tilt/shift lens. I'd rather have that combo than a D600. The difference that lens movements makes can be substantial for landscapes. Unless you're shooting over ISO 1600 I highly doubt you'll see any difference between D600 and D7100.


Kent in SD



May 09, 2013 at 01:26 PM
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p.1 #17 · D5100 vs. D600 with same 24-70 lens - huge IQ difference?


I own both a D600 and a D5100 and I agree with most of what has been posted already. One big downside to the D5100 is how strong the antialiasing filter is and though the D600 certainly doesn't have a weak AA filter by any means, it's nowhere near as detrimental to IQ as it is on the D5100. That alone justifies moving farther up the totem pole of camera quality in my opinion though honestly it's not that noticeable unless you print fairly large. Anyway, the learning curve is nothing to worry about. I actually find the D600 to be far more intuitive as there are more external controls. It felt like no time and I had already developed muscle memory for most of it. As mentioned, the biggest gains you'll get will be in high ISO shooting. I do a lot of this so it was an almost necessary move for me.


May 09, 2013 at 05:05 PM
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p.1 #18 · D5100 vs. D600 with same 24-70 lens - huge IQ difference?


MaxBerlin wrote:
I think too many people discount the idea of 20+ mp sensors today by not foreseeing that there will be equivalent displays in the future. You don't take photos for the enjoyment of them today as much as you do for their enjoyment in the future. One day a 36mp photo from a D800 may be the minimum you'll be willing to display regardless of how much you did right with the equipment you had at the time. I think buy the best you can afford and enjoy the hell out of it.


How soon do you think that the future displays will have the resolution of a d800, at 7,360 4,912? My current display is several years old ( maybe 6 or 7 years old, can't remember ) and is 1,920 x 1,200, native. Looking at some google results, it looks like the hot monitors of today, such as the Dell u2711 is 2,560 x 1,440 and costs about $900. That doesn't seem like a huge increase in resolution, given the age of my monitor, which is an HP LP2475, considered a good monitor in its day.

Then you really need to consider TVs, since many more folks own TVs rather than high res monitors. AFAIK, the best TVs of today have lower resolution than my monitor. Seems likely to me that I'll be in the ground long before a TV will have the d800's resolution. But, I could be wrong.

thanks
Kerry



May 09, 2013 at 06:04 PM
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DontShoot wrote:
I've owned both bodies and shot landscapes with them. Just looking at the images straight up, not much difference. Actual camera usage-- BIG BIG BIG difference. The D600 will make your life way easier... more external buttons for control, bigger VF, more AF points, top LCD, better ergonomics (than the D5100), better live view focusing, better options with Mup/shutter delay, WU-1B add-on, dual cards, and best of all: custom U1/U2 settings.

The "not so obvious" difference albeit a huge deal: Fantastic DR. Especially when leveling shadow and highlight areas. For your purpose, I think you will really like the D600.



Everything you point to is not an IQ difference but an ergonomic, handeling or feature difference. In that case the OP would be better off moving to the D7100 and using the extra $ on lense, a tripod, etc.



May 09, 2013 at 06:54 PM
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MaxBerlin wrote:
I think too many people discount the idea of 20+ mp sensors today by not foreseeing that there will be equivalent displays in the future. You don't take photos for the enjoyment of them today as much as you do for their enjoyment in the future. One day a 36mp photo from a D800 may be the minimum you'll be willing to display regardless of how much you did right with the equipment you had at the time. I think buy the best you can afford and enjoy the hell out of it.


Well, the thing about displays is that monitor resolution hits a point of diminishing returns. A 36mp monitor isn't useful because it's so much more pixel density than your eye can resolve. In order to make more megapixels useful, you have to have an increase in output size, and that's more of a functional limitation than a technical one.

Not, of course, that I'm doubting constant gains in resolution - just that the ultimate measurement is actually pixels per inch, not just pixels, and at a certain point we start to bump up against the limits of our ability to see individual pixels.



May 09, 2013 at 07:08 PM
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