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 p.12 #3 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800...... | |
Ok, I've largely stayed out of this crazy argument (why anyone cares which camera another person prefers is completely beyond me), but this reaction, Philip, is one of the most arrogant responses I've ever read on this forum.
philip_pj wrote:
Claim: 'hauling 18 lbs on my shoulder isn't fun for me'. Reality: FF cameras with top flight lenses need not weigh 18 pounds (8.2 kgs for the metric crowd). My regular 'no compromise' walking kit of 21mm, 35-70mm, 100mm and FF cam tips in at 2.25 kgs or under five pounds.
This was my claim, and it was my reality of my full frame kit. I physically put my shoulder bag on the scale. Now, it was fully loaded, and when reducing to what I'd normally bring (still a lot), it was still in the neighborhood of 13-14 lbs. I generally use autofocus lenses, so you picking out manual focus lenses that don't fit my shooting style adds nothing to the argument. My m4/3 kit with similar capabilty to my 13-14 lb general carry (giving up a little DOF control and a little base ISO noise) weighs a little more than 6 lbs.
I just looked up Jack's gear used for the jpegs here, it comes to 771 grams for the two primes and the body, that only covers eq. of 21mm and 50mm, not much is it? If you need reach you might add the 18-55mm - brings it to around 1100 grams - so for each kit of three lenses - a massive weight saving of 2250 - 1100 = 1150 grams, or 2.5 pounds.
Now you're just twisting facts to fit your narrative. Yes, it's "only 2.5 lbs." It's also less than HALF the weight of the full frame kit. That's an absolutely enormous weight savings. For YOU, this may not be worth it...for many people, it's the difference between being encumbered by gear or feeling unburdened and enjoying the day of shooting. I can fit that exact kit into a small Lowepro Rezo 110 AW bag (I know, because I own that same kit and it fits), where I think that bag can barely fit a D800 body by itself. It's not just weight, but physical size as well.
Compared with an a99 plus some of CZ's best. I mean really. All that lost functionality, ergo and image quality, DOF control for 2.5 measly pounds...
This is where you start to get arrogant. First off, you are assuming that the DOF control is critical here. For travel photography, it's really not, and believe it or not, some of us don't WANT ultra shallow depth of field all the time. When I shot full frame, I regularly stopped my 50/1.4 down to f/2 if I could, because it was just too shallow for my liking at f/1.4 most of the time. Now I shoot my X-E1 with 35/1.4 at f/1.4 and get a similar look. Second of all, for many people that "2.5 measly pounds" can make all the difference in the world. You're talking about carrying TWICE the amount of gear for a pretty minor (all things considered) step up in image quality, and what other functionality is missing?
You would also never carry heavy photo gear on one shoulder - daypacks and belt packs work much better, and you can walk long distances with them.
Here it is with thinking that what YOU do works for someone else. I can't STAND using a daypack (no easy access to gear), and I would never consider a belt pack that was big enough to carry a full frame kit. If I'm out and about shooting, I want fast access to my gear that can be easily maneuvered...that means a shoulder bag for my needs. I've traveled with my former crop Canon kit (which included a DRebel, Tokina 12-24, Canon 50/1.4, and Canon 80-200/2.8...a light carry leaving several things at home) around Europe all day long in a shoulder bag. Despite 'only' weighing 6.3 lbs for the gear, with the size of the bag I needed, plus other accessories, my back and shoulder were absolutely killing me. Partly because the size of the bag puts the weight further off axis, which adds more strain. Over a full day of shooting, it adds up.
I've also traveled with my m4/3 kit, and more recently with my Fuji X-E1, and I can shoot all day out of my shoulder bag without getting sore or uncomfortable. That alone is worth the difference to ME. And since all of these cameras meet my image quality needs, it doesn't matter one lick to me whether a full frame kit would have slightly better image quality. Frankly, I doubt overall that there'd be that much difference. The DR on the X-E1 is outstanding, and I can hold detail in pretty much any image I can practically run across.
Just because YOUR preferences would put the D800 in your bag all the time doesn't mean everyone has those same preferences.
There comes a point where the image quality is plenty good enough for a shooter's needs, and when that point is reached, other concerns like ergonomics and size play a much larger role in what will work better. If YOUR personal image quality standards aren't met by these smaller cameras, then don't use them. No problem. For many of us, they easily meet these standards, and so for me, the weight and size are far more important...to ME. If you GAVE me a full D800 kit with the best Nikon lenses, I would turn around and sell them to buy more mirrorless gear. And I'm not joking even in the slightest.
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