2 points: 1. the dpreview.com posts are 11 months old. 2. The google search netted results that were 6 mos. old and other post have mention that Nikon has come out with several firmware upgrades.
That last upgrade dealt with some focusing issues when shooting in C1 or C2 mode. As for green tint, that was more of an early D800 issue which has been corrected. We have many people who are not shy about pointing out problems with Nikon gear and the green tint issue doesn't seem to hit the boards anymore.
How long have you been shooting the D4? I have not noticed any of the problems you mention. As for LR4, I never use a RAW file with out applying some tweaks. There will be those sunny day shots that the RAW file is spot on, requiring little, if any changes. But, those are not the norm. The camera profiles are not to my liking either. The Adobe Standard is too red, while the Camera Standard is too cold. So, I created numerous presets that deliver the look I like, even have a Canon look preset. I also have Vesco film presets. Bottom line, you can get the look you want, but it take some upfront effort to give down the line ease.
p.2 #3 · Why do D4 images look bad on Lightroom 4.3?
to your point #1: i was responding to the assertion from sjms: "what green lcd problem? I've been shooting this camera since it came out." so while the stated links might be older due to a quick google search they are still relevant to his assertion that there were no problems. there are other af-point issues that are being discussed right now and that is not a "virus" that is spreading either.
my quest is to find a profile similar to the quality of the v4 profiles for the D3 that eric chan created. I'm sure they will one day. This is a thread that is asking solutions until something similar is introduced. If you don't have this issue please leave this thread alone.
There are other photogs on Dpreview who have this profile issue so it is not only me.
James R wrote:
2 points: 1. the dpreview.com posts are 11 months old. 2. The google search netted results that were 6 mos. old and other post have mention that Nikon has come out with several firmware upgrades.
That last upgrade dealt with some focusing issues when shooting in C1 or C2 mode. As for green tint, that was more of an early D800 issue which has been corrected. We have many people who are not shy about pointing out problems with Nikon gear and the green tint issue doesn't seem to hit the boards anymore.
How long have you been shooting the D4? I have not noticed any of the problems you mention. As for LR4, I never use a RAW file with out applying some tweaks. There will be those sunny day shots that the RAW file is spot on, requiring little, if any changes. But, those are not the norm. The camera profiles are not to my liking either. The Adobe Standard is too red, while the Camera Standard is too cold. So, I created numerous presets that deliver the look I like, even have a Canon look preset. I also have Vesco film presets. Bottom line, you can get the look you want, but it take some upfront effort to give down the line ease.
p.2 #4 · Why do D4 images look bad on Lightroom 4.3?
I remember processing an image of a 6-alarm fire long time a ago using Capture One 4 express and the difference
between Lightroom was pretty alarming. The flames looked a lot more realistic compared to what I saw.
I didn't see much of a difference between C1 pro 7 and LR 4 when I tried it with D3 images. I might have to try the demo on my other computer to see if D4 images look closer to what NX produces. The only problem with C1 was with the workflow.
I'm using Photomechanic 5 and Lightroom in combination so I don't want to change my workflow too much for images for daily publication deadlines.
mshi wrote:
I switched to C1 last year and have never looked back.
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p.2 #5 · Why do D4 images look bad on Lightroom 4.3?
pjny wrote:
I'm using Photomechanic 5 and Lightroom in combination so I don't want to change my workflow too much for images for daily publication deadlines.
I am a portrait shooter so skin tone management is very crucial for me. Before the switch, I had always relied on Photoshop for heavy-lifting in skin tones, which is time-consuming to say the least. Last year, I started on C1Pro6, which made skin tone management a piece of cake. I also rely on PhotoMechanic5 for my workflow, never have had any problems.
p.2 #6 · Why do D4 images look bad on Lightroom 4.3?
pjny wrote:
Hi,
I am using the D4 in 12-bit RAW mode using Lightroom 4.3, Process 2012, and "Camera Standard" in camera calibration. The images look dull unless I switch to "Camera Vivid" but this usually crushes the shadow detail.
I was using Eric Chan's Camera Standard v4 profiles with my D3 and the results were really good. I cannot find any similar profiles for the D4.
I have the Colorchecker Passport and hoping not to have custom profiles. Is this the best solution? I've heard you have to make custom profiles for daylight etc.
I also tried the PSKiss Cross Camera Color but the results were off.
If you want the images to look good straight from camera then learn how to use your camera and shoot JPG. If you want to shoot RAW then learn how to edit. Simple!
p.2 #7 · Why do D4 images look bad on Lightroom 4.3?
Certainly you have time to tweak one NEF after which you can batch process (clone that setting/profile) the rest of the session and then tweak as you have extra time.
p.2 #8 · Why do D4 images look bad on Lightroom 4.3?
Some of the asinine comments here are astounding.
Can none of you see the basic need this guy has? Obviously you can edit any raw file to be what you want. Yes, you can batch process. Yes, everyone has different tastes. This is not in the slightest bit insightful or useful.
If you can apply a profile to your camera that gets the raw file to the closest possible output for your tastes and uses, then it simply cuts down on post-processing time. Why wouldn't you want to do this? Especially if you've got deadlines? How is there any downside here? At best, you have what you want almost directly out of the camera. At worst, you've lost nothing since you can throw the settings away. In the middle, where most images lie, you won't have to make some basic adjustments every time because you've already got them applied.
Before you respond, you might want to pause, and understand what the question is and why they might be asking. Just because it's not what you want, doesn't mean it's invalid.
p.2 #9 · Why do D4 images look bad on Lightroom 4.3?
binary visions,
Sorry, but the OP's question was, "What's your D4 workflow?" and "I have the Colorchecker Passport and hoping not to have custom profiles. Is this the best solution?" Later he said, "I'm just looking for a better starting calibration than the current camera standard on the D4." And later still asked, "Anyone tried the profiles on Huelight Color Fidelity Photoshop & Lightroom Camera Profiles at colorfidelity.com? It was recommended on another forum."
There is a saying in process management, "A problem well started is problem half solved." The OP stated out asking about our workflows and the thread has meandered ever since.
p.2 #10 · Why do D4 images look bad on Lightroom 4.3?
James, I think your post was very helpful and exactly towards what the OP was looking for - "here is what I do to solve your problem."
What I am referring to is comments like:
Quote: now spend some time on learning how to use a raw editor.
Quote: why do you need someone's else's idea of perceived reality?
Quote: If you want to shoot RAW then learn how to edit. Simple!
I feel that these are holier-than-thou comments that demean the OP for no good reason, and provide no useful input to the thread.
p.2 #11 · Why do D4 images look bad on Lightroom 4.3?
Thanks, Binary visions. I come to Fredmiranda because of the (usually) helpful responses.
I've been shooting Nikon digital since I got the D1 in 2000. I started shooting RAW when Bibble was introduced. I've seen an incredible evolution of image quality processors since those days. I've had the D1, D100, D2h, D2x, D2xs, D700, D7000, D300s, D3 and now the D4.
Yes, I am aware RAW files need to be processed.
Once again i am stating that the D3 camera v4 profiles were very close to what I need to get to.
The D4 profiles are not so accurate for me.
If they are good for you, please ignore this message.
If you found a way to streamline your D4 workflow please let me know.
Thank you.
binary visions wrote:
Some of the asinine comments here are astounding.
Can none of you see the basic need this guy has? Obviously you can edit any raw file to be what you want. Yes, you can batch process. Yes, everyone has different tastes. This is not in the slightest bit insightful or useful.
If you can apply a profile to your camera that gets the raw file to the closest possible output for your tastes and uses, then it simply cuts down on post-processing time. Why wouldn't you want to do this? Especially if you've got deadlines? How is there any downside here? At best, you have what you want almost directly out of the camera. At worst, you've lost nothing since you can throw the settings away. In the middle, where most images lie, you won't have to make some basic adjustments every time because you've already got them applied.
Before you respond, you might want to pause, and understand what the question is and why they might be asking. Just because it's not what you want, doesn't mean it's invalid....Show more →
p.2 #12 · Why do D4 images look bad on Lightroom 4.3?
pjny wrote:
If you found a way to streamline your D4 workflow please let me know.
For my D800 what I have done in Lightroom is make my own user preset that I generally use as a starting point when I pull in my raw files. When I import the files I apply this preset (near top right corner in Import where it says "apply during import" and under develop settings I select this preset). So it just automatically happens at import time.
Basically all I did is bump up a few things a little (contrast, clarity, vibrance, saturation) and enable lens correction and that's about it. As I said, I just prefer this as a starting point and I found it helps speed things along a little.
p.2 #13 · Why do D4 images look bad on Lightroom 4.3?
wellsjt wrote:
For my D800 what I have done in Lightroom is make my own user preset that I generally use as a starting point when I pull in my raw files. When I import the files I apply this preset (near top right corner in Import where it says "apply during import" and under develop settings I select this preset). So it just automatically happens at import time.
Basically all I did is bump up a few things a little (contrast, clarity, vibrance, saturation) and enable lens correction and that's about it. As I said, I just prefer this as a starting point and I found it helps speed things along a little....Show more →
Thats a good idea, I must do that, if only the lens profile.
OP - Can't you just copy & tweak your favoured profile & save it?
p.2 #14 · Why do D4 images look bad on Lightroom 4.3?
I purchased the Huelight D4 profiles and compared virtual copies of the same file using LR Camera Standard & Vivid profiles, and the Huelight D4 Standard, Low and Hi profiles. I used compare mode in Lightroom with locked zoom to put the images side by side for comparison.
I noticed the skin tones using the Huelight Standard added a touch more red/magenta to a portrait and gave the skin better a livelier look. I have to do more tests in many more situations but this seems to be a step forward.
I also compared shots of product on a supermarket aisle and the images with the Huelight look more saturated and pleasing. I have noticed the Huelight CF High 15 has a vivid color boost without crushing the blacks like the Camera Vivid in LR.
I will examine more images but this is what I was looking for. Anyone else try the Huelight profiles with similar results?
p.2 #15 · Why do D4 images look bad on Lightroom 4.3?
pjny wrote:
I purchased the Huelight D4 profiles and compared virtual copies of the same file using LR Camera Standard & Vivid profiles, and the Huelight D4 Standard, Low and Hi profiles. I used compare mode in Lightroom with locked zoom to put the images side by side for comparison.
I noticed the skin tones using the Huelight Standard added a touch more red/magenta to a portrait and gave the skin better a livelier look. I have to do more tests in many more situations but this seems to be a step forward.
I also compared shots of product on a supermarket aisle and the images with the Huelight look more saturated and pleasing. I have noticed the Huelight CF High 15 has a vivid color boost without crushing the blacks like the Camera Vivid in LR.
I will examine more images but this is what I was looking for. Anyone else try the Huelight profiles with similar results?
p.2 #17 · Why do D4 images look bad on Lightroom 4.3?
pjny wroteI am using the D4 in 12-bit RAW mode using Lightroom 4.3, Process 2012, and "Camera Standard" in camera calibration. The images look dull unless I switch to "Camera Vivid" but this usually crushes the shadow detail.
I have the Colorchecker Passport and hoping not to have custom profiles. Is this the best solution? I've heard you have to make custom profiles for daylight etc.
What's your D4 workflow?
Images are viewed on a calibrated NEC 27" PA271W.
Thanks.
I have the same exact gear, D4, ColorChecker Passport, LR 4.4 and the same NEC display. We shoot weddings primarily with a D4, a D3s, D3 and some occasional D700 files thrown in. Initially I was having problems getting color harmony between all these bodies even though they are all Nikon gear. I used the Color Checker Passport to create Dual Illuminate profiles for each body. Very easy to do and this has helped to pull all four bodies closer together. I'm very happy with the color results that I'm getting with these profiles and it has helped to reduce the time that we have to tweak color. Still not perfect but much better than the default LR profiles.
