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Jerry, shooting handheld is not done for fun, but for increased effectiveness. However, there is a break point as setups become longer and heavier......the difficulty of heavy lens control (and associated strain) eventually start to diminish capture effectiveness, let alone the fun of it.


Feb 22, 2013 at 08:34 PM
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PetKal wrote:
Jerry, shooting handheld is not done for fun, but for increased effectiveness. However, there is a break point as setups become longer and heavier......the difficulty of heavy lens control (and associated strain) eventually start to diminish capture effectiveness, let alone the fun of it.


Fully understood, as I'm sure you've guessed, my photography changed significantly and does as I age, reality is and you adjust. No more climbing/hiking about for flora, the perfect light at sun up or down...an extreme example but not much different if this ex surfer could still surf, the wedge in winter would be a not-that-much-fun and more-of-a-pain...and ever perhaps avoidable injury.

I've often thought, discussed this with others with my type/level of injury, that my loss was instant and although horrific, some what easier to manage physcologically. That may sound odd, could be just my internal take on life, but as I've worked thru this, most things have gotten much better since that initial low. There's no choice, this injury didn't give me the luxuy/agony of enduring a drawn out progressive illness...it's permanent, ain't gettin no worse there still be still fingers n legs

When it comes to photography there is still enough left to enjoy shooting, under my own power and that is a most valued blessing. My internship with my dad; refurbishing cars/bikes, and architecture design background, helps me adapt. After much re-design, failures, re-design, some lost funds, the last piece of my chair support is on order. If I've calculated correctly, a 1D body and a 500/600mm could be mounted/used...not sure how successfully, but it should be possible. This bodes well for a lesser weight kit as well and that 400 f5.6L is looking quite doable...gimbal heads even work mounted near your lap

The last part in question is a DSLR Slider/rail system, just had to find one with the correct dimensions. It solves several issues for stills and video. Those big whites don't have to be purchased to use, just rent and enjoy some big time EOS fun without the need to walk or

Shoot until those big guns can no longer safely carry/shoot with those big guns...your imagery is what survives, displays your mastery, memories and our continued desires/passions sustain and push us help us adapt for even greater creativity....okay they force us as well

Your BIF shots, others, have inspired a flower shooter to push again...Thank You.

PS. This is the slider I found, I'm waiting on it and my wheels to get here from repairs...too much time to write me thinks.

http://www.amazon.com/Flashpoint-SLR-Slider-60cm/dp/B008THP7WC/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=TLSTRVD65FFE&coliid=IC3QUWQUXWY5T



Feb 22, 2013 at 09:58 PM
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Jerry, that slider looks promising....I guess some sorta gimbal would have to go on it. I suppose a well balancing rig is essential, in order for you to tilt and pan effortlessly.
Perhaps 400 f/5.6 would be a good start. Aim at a slow swimming/drifting duck, prefocus and wait. Sooner or later you shall see some telltale signs that he/she is about to take off....within seconds you start to fire and pan a very minor arch with the duck. It should be relatively easy......most duck in flight shots are done on takeoff or landing.....in full power flight they are just too fast , and one has to make a long tracking arch.
You have a system and a plan going, and that is a key to your eventual success.
However, do not give up your floral shots either, because they are great.



Feb 22, 2013 at 10:35 PM
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Peter, flora are near n dear to my landscaper's, hiker's heart, what started out as cacti n tumbleweeds in Tempe, AZ, has blossomed into a never ending jounrney into evergreens, leaf droppers, cacti n palms, succlents and a plethora/rainbow of flower colours/shapes/textures...there's no stopping that passion.

BIF shooting caught my eye, really got me thinking when I shot that Mallard pair in our pool. They had found our little bit of water paradise and I simply watched, as I have with the hummers n sparrows and flutterbyes that frequent our backyard.

Those two lift-off shots; that I still need send you, were handheld and shoot over a near two hour bathing n prinning session...over 200 plus were taken that day. Why I choose to pick that moment, me indoors, shooting thru a window...IDK...guess I didn't want to upset their peaceful, gentle togetherness. I watched this pair for over a year, began to anticipate their departures. I've time to practice, it's a must with my fantastical physicality...and there are lots of bird abounding small parks within 30 mins.

This support system, the gimbal, ballhead, leveling base, slider will help greatly for all my shooting. Often I just can't get a shot as tripods are just not easily used from a wheelchair...so I've forgone those types of shots. It was the notion of wielding that big glass that planted the seed...kinda cool...I don't need to master BIF at all, but to be able to just try it...is even more cool

That Peter is why the big time thank you. This opens up more possibbility/opportunity for tack sharp images and that makes for more EOS fun. With the support now the Canon 180L mac is usable, it was the real last to-do in my flora kit. With that reach in place I can now let go of 'ALL' my film gear, even my fav macros; including the 200...without much pain



Feb 22, 2013 at 11:33 PM
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PetKal wrote:
However, should Nikkor 800 lens live up to its specs, I might get it together with one of their better cameras such as D800, and the way to finance that would be thru......

(1) money saved by not buying 200-400L, plus....
(2) proceeds of my 800L sale.


We shall see what the 800VR initial verdict will be, hopefully by this summer.


If Nikon's theoretical MTF chart is accurate you'd be in for a treat! Might be optimized with the D800E?



Feb 23, 2013 at 04:52 AM
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If Nikon's theoretical MTF chart is accurate you'd be in for a treat! Might be optimized with the D800E?


Therein you shall find the major problem with those ueber expensive new lenses.
Whom can you trust with an objective and knowledgeable lens evaluation ? The problem with 800VR will be even more severe than with 200-400L.
Some people who publish those Nikon lens reviews seem to benefit from blowing Nikon's horn. Alternatively, even if they might be free of such conflicts of interest, they are often more focused on showing off their own photography talent, than in assessing the lens critically. They would typically shoot thousands of point blank shots of baited or captive raptors until they get a dozen real nice ones, and then they post a glowing lens report supported by those dozen images. Then people react with admiring "Ooohh...ahhh..", which really accomplishes the reviewer's goal, but that does little for anyone's understanding of the lens true performance.

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Feb 23, 2013 at 05:51 AM
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StillFingerz wrote:
This support system, the gimbal, ballhead, leveling base, slider will help greatly for all my shooting. Often I just can't get a shot as tripods are just not easily used from a wheelchair...so I've forgone those types of shots. It was the notion of wielding that big glass that planted the seed...kinda cool...I don't need to master BIF at all, but to be able to just try it...is even more cool



Jerry, once you have the setup support system sorted out, be it mechanical or your own body, then the rest will follow its course.
However, obviously, without an easy and effective support, one just can not shoot with long lenses well consistently, whether standing, kneeling or sitting in a wheelchair.

Your ducks are waiting for you out there, and if Mallards are as plentiful in your area as they are in mine, then you've got it made.

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Feb 23, 2013 at 06:13 AM
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Hey buddy, just trying to loook after your interests in a small way......and I need no "finder's fee" for that, like I didn't expect any when you got 200 f/1.8.



Feb 23, 2013 at 07:34 AM
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WTF does any 800mm lens really have to do with the new 200-400?

EBH



Feb 23, 2013 at 10:32 AM
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EB-1 wrote:
WTF does any 800mm lens really have to do with the new 200-400?

EBH


I guess not much....it's just a departure from the topic.
However, what does your Wireless Transmitter of Flash have to do with anything at all....are you perhaps having an early drink



Feb 23, 2013 at 10:42 AM
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Peter, that's quite the beautifully captured Mallard...one day I'll get to try BIF and perhaps get lucky, heck even a BOG would be okay, got two BIPs in me backyard already, at this point anything shot would be a start, gotta get vertical first .


Feb 23, 2013 at 10:50 AM
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Glad you like it Jerry, get yourself on wheels soon so we can get cracking.


Feb 23, 2013 at 11:02 AM
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And drink a beer after!


Feb 23, 2013 at 11:05 AM
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Ralph Conway wrote:
And drink a beer after!

Yes, at least one Ralph, while pondering the usefulness of the new 200-400L and it's BIF effectiveness.
Mustn't get off topic too much



Feb 23, 2013 at 11:26 AM
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I went along to shoot at London Fashion Weekend this evening (CPS invite) and afterwards I spoke to one of the Canon staff about the 200-400L. I mentioned it would probably be around the same price at the 600 ii (+-US$13k). He said and I'm not joking, "It will be more like £15k". That's around US $19k direct conversion. I hope he was talking out of his smellier end, because that is a shocking price for a zoom, no matter how "special". He claimed it was because it "replaced several primes". I was tempted ask if he meant the 300mm
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Hmm, that would be disappointing. On the other hand, also not so surprising. The rumoured/speculated price has constantly been inching up. If the optical performance is as great as claimed, for certain types of photographers, it would literally replace several primes (f/4 is the new f/2.8 now), which could potentially cost Canon some revenue. Would be a shame though to pay such a 'tax' to compensate for lenses I never had an interest to buy in the first place. Maybe in the end I'll be sticking with my 400/2.8 & TC after all.

Perhaps Canon will find some creative options to help photographers pay for these new, expensive goodies? Buying a 'pro' camera and lens is certainly in the range of a decent car nowadays.



Feb 24, 2013 at 03:55 AM
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Bones74 wrote:
I went along to shoot at London Fashion Weekend this evening (CPS invite) and afterwards I spoke to one of the Canon staff about the 200-400L. I mentioned it would probably be around the same price at the 600 ii (+-US$13k). He said and I'm not joking, "It will be more like £15k". That's around US $19k direct conversion. I hope he was talking out of his smellier end, because that is a shocking price for a zoom, no matter how "special". He claimed it was because it "replaced several primes". I was tempted ask if he meant the 300mm
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Feb 24, 2013 at 04:48 AM
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rscheffler wrote:
Perhaps Canon will find some creative options to help photographers pay for these new, expensive goodies?


Why would they do that ? Are they having a drop in earnings due to diminished sales ?

However, in their own way they are already helping by offering economy camera and lens pro options such as 6D, 7D, 5D3, 24-70 f/4L, 70-200 f/2.8 IS MkII and 300 f/2.8 IS MkII.



Feb 24, 2013 at 06:25 AM
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It would be moronic of Canon to charge more than the price of a Nikon D4 plus 200-400mm VR II.


Feb 24, 2013 at 04:13 PM
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rscheffler wrote:
Perhaps Canon will find some creative options to help photographers pay for these new, expensive goodies?

PetKal wrote:
Why would they do that ? Are they having a drop in earnings due to diminished sales ?

However, in their own way they are already helping by offering economy camera and lens pro options such as 6D, 7D, 5D3, 24-70 f/4L, 70-200 f/2.8 IS MkII and 300 f/2.8 IS MkII.


Well, they continue to manufacture high end gear such as the 1D series and the super-tele lenses. Obviously they want buyers for these products. While indications are many (maybe even most) of these buyers are well heeled amateurs, there are some pro segments that still benefit from such equipment, where a 5DIII or 6D won't cut it. Unfortunately, in certain photo markets the cost of the most suitable gear is increasing, as a percentage, well beyond the (percentage increase in) rates photographers are paid. If fewer in Canon's target market are able to outright buy the high end gear, then solutions facilitated by Canon might be able to maintain or increase sales numbers. Otherwise, the gear is only bound to become even more expensive to compensate for lower production volume. I think they'd rather see someone opt for a 1DX and 200-400 than a 7D and 100-400 or 300/2.8.



Feb 24, 2013 at 06:34 PM
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If the darned thing were more like the weight of the 400 DO, then it might be worth the prices being talked about now.


Feb 24, 2013 at 06:45 PM
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