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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Male boudoir photog question re: chapperones


I'm a male photographer and my boudoir photography business is booming lately. I'm
wondering what others are doing to protect themselves against a sexual harassment accusation?
Do you keep your mua around throughout the entire session as a witness?



Feb 10, 2013 at 09:00 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Male boudoir photog question re: chapperones


I think it would be a good idea to have a third person there. I also would explore recording the session on video. Explain it as protection for both of you. Also set the camera in a way that it shows more or your activity than the subject. It will take some delicate assurance that the video will not by used for the wrong purposes.


Feb 11, 2013 at 02:48 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Male boudoir photog question re: chapperones


I don't think video taping a session would go over too well. I always step out of the studio while my clients reposition, adjust themselves, etc. Having a video recorder running in the studio would totally kill the mood. I think having a female assistant/mua present is the better option.


Feb 11, 2013 at 03:12 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Male boudoir photog question re: chapperones


I seem to recall several "boudoir seminars" (some rather prominent), as well as books, dvd's, etc. I'd be curious to know what those who are TEACHING boudoir have to say on the subject ... or do they conveniently avoid the issue due to its liability potential if they give that kind of advice.

I have known some in the past (many years ago) that required the client bring along a friend. The rationale being that if it is "their watchdog" ... the opportunity to "go there" no longer exists. That, and are you REALLY gonna "go there" if it is two against one ... presents a somewhat logical defense that it is an irrational allegation should it come out of the blue. Kinda like how minors bring along a parent/guardian concept, even though you aren't dealing with minors, just having another person on "their side" affords a "prevention environment" that you have extended to them (i.e. you required it) that serves to protect both sides. I suppose you could include an option (mua $$$) if they want you to keep the mua around an extended timeframe, instead.

Contract language (or waiver thereof) requiring them to be accompanied is likely something I'd include prior to shooting. I think it conveys an integral concern for a sensitive issue and says that you are deferring to their choice of "watchdog", which takes away the potential for your "watchdog" to be a case of "the fox guarding the hen house".

I recently had a friend undergo a false allegation from a hotel maid while attending a professional conference. Sadly, it costs him the defense $$$, but the judge saw through the ruse. The "he said/she said" one vs. one presents a tough gig to figure out who is being truthful. I'd rather be against two of them (rather than one-one), when one of them is to be their own watchdog in place (contract language). If they then make false allegation afterwards ... it can be a strong indicator of it being a ruse.

In today's realm ... ... I defer to those currently in the industry (and competent legal counsel), but just wanted to offer some "old school" food for thought.

BTW, with lots of daughters and daughters' friends around the house, needing car rides home or wanting pictures taken, etc. over the years ... we have a longstanding rule around my house ... dad is NEVER alone with anyone. "He said/she said" is like playing Russian Roulette and you're not the one holding the gun.



Feb 11, 2013 at 04:07 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Male boudoir photog question re: chapperones


If you're not busy shooting Thursday ...

http://www.creativelive.com/courses/building-successful-boudoir-business-jen-rozenbaum

You'll also have a chance to post questions, great chance to interact with someone "in the biz" for free during live podcast.



Feb 11, 2013 at 05:22 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Male boudoir photog question re: chapperones


I'd rather have some first hand insight from those that actually do it, rather than teach it. There must be a few guys on here that have some personal experience.


Feb 13, 2013 at 01:32 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Male boudoir photog question re: chapperones


Understood ... best I could offer atm was my "second hand" exposure to those I personally knew, who were shooting boudoir back in the day.

GL



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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Male boudoir photog question re: chapperones


Forget video as few clients are going to be comfortable with that, unless you re classify it as a service and the client can buy a filmed copy of his or her shoot as a memento. Its what a local portrait studio does here - everything is videoed then sold on to the client as an additional option. Not cheap either!

Could do an audio only recording as nothing 'sensitive' is likely to be said in a session.

On the whole if you go down the 'keep a person in the room' type option you might be better off with your own person in the building or room. Could be easy for 2 clients to set up a false allegation between them, though I would expect most clients to be just normal folk wanting photos rather than law suits.



Feb 13, 2013 at 09:04 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Male boudoir photog question re: chapperones


Audio recording has legal implications that the person must be made aware that they are being recorded. Video without audio (security camera type, etc.) doesn't have the same requirements ... check with appropriate legal.

Maybe, it's that simple, install security system in the studio ... to cover all the bases, i.e. theft, damage, altercations, etc. ... harassment, just being one amongst all the reasons for a system.

Check with competent legal, as always.



Feb 13, 2013 at 10:50 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Male boudoir photog question re: chapperones


Don't know if this is the "firsthand" report you wanted but my dad is a retired OB/GYN and he NEVER conducted a patient examination unless a female employee was in the room with him.

Henry Posner
henryp@bhphoto.com
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Feb 14, 2013 at 06:31 PM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Male boudoir photog question re: chapperones



I have been shooting Boudoir/ nude/ figure and on occasion what would best be classified as porn for around 20 years and NEVER had a problem where anyone made any hint of an allegation about me.

I know things are different in the sUe S of A but if it hasn't been a problem so far, I'm not going to sweat it as being one now. IF anything did come up, I could parade a long line of past clients through the witness stand that would attest to my behaviour during shoots and I think give the complainant a very hard time in proving their case.

I generally don't allow escorts/ minders/ chaperones or whatever people want to call them, I don't see the point. IF someone is going to make a false complaint about me, having another person there whom is undoubtedly a friend anyway would only weaken MY defence because it would be 2 against 1.

For those that worry about every possible potential to be sued, Firstly you should stay in bed 24/7 and failing that, I would install a discreet security camera that the clients were not aware of. That being that it is legal in your area of course which it may not be. Here we can have video but not sound.

After this long, I'm not about to change anything I do. I have had no trouble this far so I'll go with the odds and not worry about things that I have not proven themselves to be anything I need to worry about.



Feb 24, 2013 at 07:59 AM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Male boudoir photog question re: chapperones


henryp wrote:
Don't know if this is the "firsthand" report you wanted but my dad is a retired OB/GYN and he NEVER conducted a patient examination unless a female employee was in the room with him.

Henry Posner
henryp@bhphoto.com
B&H Photo-Video


Digging into a womans bits is probably a little different to what most people here would do I think!



Feb 24, 2013 at 08:01 AM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Male boudoir photog question re: chapperones


We always have a female studio assistant present during a Boudoir session. No exceptions. They are also the only person that touches the client to rearrange clothing, hair, props, etc. They add alot in connecting with the nervous client and is part of the overall experience to have someone pampering them. Our studio female assistants are usually in college for photography and want to learn the studio.


Feb 26, 2013 at 06:49 PM





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