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p.4 #1 · D4 users, is it lacking sharpness compared to 1dx? Less detail & slower AF?

Photorph wrote:I do think the D4 is the only camera in Nikon that I would love to buy though, given all the oil/dust issues with d600 and the left side AF issues with d800. But that's a different topic.

As far as I know, there hasn't been any left side AF issues with the D800 for quite some time now and I think the same applies to the oil issues with the D600. But as you say, "that's a diiferent topic".

Feb 07, 2013 at 11:03 AM

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p.4 #2 · D4 users, is it lacking sharpness compared to 1dx? Less detail & slower AF?

Photorph wrote:
I do think the D4 is the only camera in Nikon that I would love to buy though, given all the oil/dust issues with d600 and the left side AF issues with d800. But that's a different topic.

/checks the horse to see if it's still dead

Feb 07, 2013 at 11:03 PM

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p.4 #3 · D4 users, is it lacking sharpness compared to 1dx? Less detail & slower AF?

zesto wrote:

As far as I know, there hasn't been any left side AF issues with the D800 for quite some time now and I think the same applies to the oil issues with the D600.

From what I hear, you're wrong on both accounts. The issues you mentioned with those cameras are ongoing.

Feb 08, 2013 at 03:25 AM

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p.4 #4 · D4 users, is it lacking sharpness compared to 1dx? Less detail & slower AF?

Photorph wrote:
Sigma 35 mm 1.4 on my 1dx, and 85mm 1.4 G on my friend's D4.

I will mention this ...

I have compared the Sigma 50/1.4 up against the Canon 50/1.4 on the same body in the same low-light situation. I used the same targets and switched the lenses back and forth. The Sigma was slower to lock focus whereas the Canon was sure footed. The Sigma would regularly hunt and give up whereas the Canon locked with ease, never once hunting - on the exact same target.

Feb 08, 2013 at 03:38 AM

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p.4 #5 · D4 users, is it lacking sharpness compared to 1dx? Less detail & slower AF?

D. Diggler wrote:
zesto wrote:

As far as I know, there hasn't been any left side AF issues with the D800 for quite some time now and I think the same applies to the oil issues with the D600.

From what I hear, you're wrong on both accounts. The issues you mentioned with those cameras are ongoing.

Therefore, what you hear must be right and what I hear must be wrong; or have I got that wrong too?

Feb 08, 2013 at 06:57 AM

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p.4 #6 · D4 users, is it lacking sharpness compared to 1dx? Less detail & slower AF?

zesto wrote:

D. Diggler wrote:
From what I hear, you're wrong on both accounts. The issues you mentioned with those cameras are ongoing.

Therefore, what you hear must be right and what I hear must be wrong; or have I got that wrong too?

One out of every three recent D600 reviews over at Amazon mentions they have the oil/dust on the sensor problem.
A quick looking them over shows reviews on these dates mentioning the oil problem:

Feb 5
Feb 4
Feb 3
Feb 1
Jan 30
Jan 26
Jan 21
Jan 13
Jan 11
Jan 10
Jan 6
Jan 5
Jan 4
Jan 4
Jan 3
Jan 2

Still think there hasn't been any oil issue with the D600 "for quite some time now"?

Go look for yourself if you want:

http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-D600-FX-Format-Digital-Camera/product-reviews/B0099XGZXA/ref=cm_cr_pr_top_recent?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending

Feb 08, 2013 at 08:02 AM

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p.4 #7 · D4 users, is it lacking sharpness compared to 1dx? Less detail & slower AF?

D. Diggler wrote:
Photorph wrote:
Sigma 35 mm 1.4 on my 1dx, and 85mm 1.4 G on my friend's D4.

I will mention this ...

I have compared the Sigma 50/1.4 up against the Canon 50/1.4 on the same body in the same low-light situation. I used the same targets and switched the lenses back and forth. The Sigma was slower to lock focus whereas the Canon was sure footed. The Sigma would regularly hunt and give up whereas the Canon locked with ease, never once hunting - on the exact same target.

As soon as my friend is able to get the sigma for his D4, I will do the same comparison. But I am still sure about my conclusion about D4's low light superiority...just becaue the difference was huge and I cannot attribute that all to the lens. The 85mm 1.4 G isn't the world's fastest lens either.

Feb 08, 2013 at 08:03 AM

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p.4 #8 · D4 users, is it lacking sharpness compared to 1dx? Less detail & slower AF?

D. Diggler wrote:
zesto wrote:

D. Diggler wrote:
From what I hear, you're wrong on both accounts. The issues you mentioned with those cameras are ongoing.

Therefore, what you hear must be right and what I hear must be wrong; or have I got that wrong too?

One out of every three recent D600 reviews over at Amazon mentions they have the oil/dust on the sensor problem.
A quick looking them over shows reviews on these dates mentioning the oil problem:

Feb 5
Feb 4
Feb 3
Feb 1
Jan 30
Jan 26
Jan 21
Jan 13
Jan 11
Jan 10
Jan 6
Jan 5
Jan 4
Jan 4
Jan 3
Jan 2

Still think there hasn't been any oil issue with the D600 "for quite some time now"?

Go look for yourself if you want:

You said, "wrong on both accounts". Go look for yourself if you want; you wrote it.

Feb 08, 2013 at 08:23 AM

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p.4 #9 · D4 users, is it lacking sharpness compared to 1dx? Less detail & slower AF?

Photorph wrote:
As soon as my friend is able to get the sigma for his D4, I will do the same comparison.

I'd be interested to hear back what you find.

Feb 08, 2013 at 11:51 AM

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p.4 #10 · D4 users, is it lacking sharpness compared to 1dx? Less detail & slower AF?

Photorph wrote:
sjms wrote:
D4 wider latitude greater color depth

Using DXO mark as a measure of which is better? I hope you aren't serious, greater color depth... interesting. I won't even comment.

Say what you would like, but I have pretty much concluded for most things that matter the 1dx is a step ahead of D4. For most people, yes true that they don't need to switch systems just because of A particular generation of cameras....things can change with the next. However, if you are a pro who needs the best tools available to make their life easier... switching systems because of something like a 1dx might not be a bad idea.

As I said before, many well regarded photographers and reviewers have agreed 1dx is ahead of nikon:

Peter from a better bounce card http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IznKQgo5e0

Andy Rouse switched systems as I pointed out earlier (excellent wildlife photographer) http://www.andyrouse.co.uk/blog/223.php

Xerodigital guy which I posted in beginning of thread...

Reviewers who flat out stated 1dx is ahead of D4: digitalrev, thatnikonguy (matt), and many others

And last but not least, I own the 1dx and can say it IS objectively better in most regards...and for me personally subjectively better in every way.

As others have pointed out, it won't give you better photos...but it will make getting the photos you want easier than ever. And the colors out of the camera (for people/wedding photography) are far better in my opinion than what a D4 gives you.

Nikon makes great cameras, I used D3s back when canon's bodies weren't at nikon's level...now it's the other way around.

D4 = excellent
1dx = excellent plus some more

And please don't say I'm "trolling", I use both canon and nikon. Can people not state what the better body at a particular time period is these days w/o being called a "troll"? Heck I even pointed out things which are better in the D4 (battery life, extreme low light AF).

Ok, we won't say you are a troll, now are you feeling better? signed, very happy D4 owner.

Feb 09, 2013 at 03:31 AM

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p.4 #11 · D4 users, is it lacking sharpness compared to 1dx? Less detail & slower AF?

When I read posts where someone holds himself to be an authority I always go and have a look at their website or what they post here

There is one (a few

) notable authority on this thread that has no website and I only went back through 8 pages (200 postings) and not a pic.

I could be wrong but you know what I think??

Tim

Feb 11, 2013 at 07:41 AM

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