p.4 #1 · D4 users, is it lacking sharpness compared to 1dx? Less detail & slower AF?
Photorph wrote:
I do think the D4 is the only camera in Nikon that I would love to buy though, given all the oil/dust issues with d600 and the left side AF issues with d800. But that's a different topic.
As far as I know, there hasn't been any left side AF issues with the D800 for quite some time now and I think the same applies to the oil issues with the D600. But as you say, "that's a diiferent topic".
p.4 #2 · D4 users, is it lacking sharpness compared to 1dx? Less detail & slower AF?
Photorph wrote:
I do think the D4 is the only camera in Nikon that I would love to buy though, given all the oil/dust issues with d600 and the left side AF issues with d800. But that's a different topic.
p.4 #3 · D4 users, is it lacking sharpness compared to 1dx? Less detail & slower AF?
zesto wrote:
As far as I know, there hasn't been any left side AF issues with the D800 for quite some time now and I think the same applies to the oil issues with the D600.
From what I hear, you're wrong on both accounts. The issues you mentioned with those cameras are ongoing.
p.4 #4 · D4 users, is it lacking sharpness compared to 1dx? Less detail & slower AF?
Photorph wrote:
Sigma 35 mm 1.4 on my 1dx, and 85mm 1.4 G on my friend's D4.
I will mention this ...
I have compared the Sigma 50/1.4 up against the Canon 50/1.4 on the same body in the same low-light situation. I used the same targets and switched the lenses back and forth. The Sigma was slower to lock focus whereas the Canon was sure footed. The Sigma would regularly hunt and give up whereas the Canon locked with ease, never once hunting - on the exact same target.
p.4 #6 · D4 users, is it lacking sharpness compared to 1dx? Less detail & slower AF?
zesto wrote:
Therefore, what you hear must be right and what I hear must be wrong; or have I got that wrong too?
One out of every three recent D600 reviews over at Amazon mentions they have the oil/dust on the sensor problem.
A quick looking them over shows reviews on these dates mentioning the oil problem:
Feb 5
Feb 4
Feb 3
Feb 1
Jan 30
Jan 26
Jan 21
Jan 13
Jan 11
Jan 10
Jan 6
Jan 5
Jan 4
Jan 4
Jan 3
Jan 2
Still think there hasn't been any oil issue with the D600 "for quite some time now"?
p.4 #7 · D4 users, is it lacking sharpness compared to 1dx? Less detail & slower AF?
D. Diggler wrote:
I will mention this ...
I have compared the Sigma 50/1.4 up against the Canon 50/1.4 on the same body in the same low-light situation. I used the same targets and switched the lenses back and forth. The Sigma was slower to lock focus whereas the Canon was sure footed. The Sigma would regularly hunt and give up whereas the Canon locked with ease, never once hunting - on the exact same target.
As soon as my friend is able to get the sigma for his D4, I will do the same comparison. But I am still sure about my conclusion about D4's low light superiority...just becaue the difference was huge and I cannot attribute that all to the lens. The 85mm 1.4 G isn't the world's fastest lens either.
p.4 #8 · D4 users, is it lacking sharpness compared to 1dx? Less detail & slower AF?
D. Diggler wrote:
One out of every three recent D600 reviews over at Amazon mentions they have the oil/dust on the sensor problem.
A quick looking them over shows reviews on these dates mentioning the oil problem:
Feb 5
Feb 4
Feb 3
Feb 1
Jan 30
Jan 26
Jan 21
Jan 13
Jan 11
Jan 10
Jan 6
Jan 5
Jan 4
Jan 4
Jan 3
Jan 2
Still think there hasn't been any oil issue with the D600 "for quite some time now"?
Go look for yourself if you want:
You said, "wrong on both accounts". Go look for yourself if you want; you wrote it.
p.4 #10 · D4 users, is it lacking sharpness compared to 1dx? Less detail & slower AF?
Photorph wrote:
Using DXO mark as a measure of which is better? I hope you aren't serious, greater color depth... interesting. I won't even comment.
Say what you would like, but I have pretty much concluded for most things that matter the 1dx is a step ahead of D4. For most people, yes true that they don't need to switch systems just because of A particular generation of cameras....things can change with the next. However, if you are a pro who needs the best tools available to make their life easier... switching systems because of something like a 1dx might not be a bad idea.
As I said before, many well regarded photographers and reviewers have agreed 1dx is ahead of nikon:
Xerodigital guy which I posted in beginning of thread...
Reviewers who flat out stated 1dx is ahead of D4: digitalrev, thatnikonguy (matt), and many others
And last but not least, I own the 1dx and can say it IS objectively better in most regards...and for me personally subjectively better in every way.
As others have pointed out, it won't give you better photos...but it will make getting the photos you want easier than ever. And the colors out of the camera (for people/wedding photography) are far better in my opinion than what a D4 gives you.
Nikon makes great cameras, I used D3s back when canon's bodies weren't at nikon's level...now it's the other way around.
D4 = excellent
1dx = excellent plus some more
And please don't say I'm "trolling", I use both canon and nikon. Can people not state what the better body at a particular time period is these days w/o being called a "troll"? Heck I even pointed out things which are better in the D4 (battery life, extreme low light AF)....Show more →
Ok, we won't say you are a troll, now are you feeling better? signed, very happy D4 owner.
p.4 #12 · D4 users, is it lacking sharpness compared to 1dx? Less detail & slower AF?
Photorph wrote:
Hi all, just trying to get some feedback from D4 users.
My D4's focus very well and fast and in my sport things happen very fast and subjects move very fast too!!
This was shot with the 70-200 f/4.
I went with the F4 for these events due to weight, I have two f/2.8 VRII's, but schlepping two D4's and lenses for six days for 12 hours a day gets kinda tiring at times, the F/4 is a dream come true for me.
p.4 #14 · D4 users, is it lacking sharpness compared to 1dx? Less detail & slower AF?
The D4 is the better AF camera for even not so low light. Depends too on the lens I guess. (had the D4 for couple of months, use the 1Dx for birds, have a D3x and had a d3s).
Nikon in general has a better more reliable focus system I think. Much les fuss.
In my opinion the speed of focus in good light is about the same, maybe the Canon a bit faster. But again very much lens dependant.
I would like to have a Nikon for everything but the 800mm Nikon is sooo expensive.
p.4 #15 · D4 users, is it lacking sharpness compared to 1dx? Less detail & slower AF?
Is it too hard to compare pictures, when you own both the D4 and 1Dx, on this forum? I am beginning to see people fighting about which is better. Both cameras are glorious monsters and I'm sure if one person either or, they'd both give out fantastic images. I think the images that YOU are not satisfied with are just user error.
p.4 #16 · D4 users, is it lacking sharpness compared to 1dx? Less detail & slower AF?
fotojev wrote:
The D4 is the better AF camera for even not so low light. Depends too on the lens I guess. (had the D4 for couple of months, use the 1Dx for birds, have a D3x and had a d3s).
Nikon in general has a better more reliable focus system I think. Much les fuss.
In my opinion the speed of focus in good light is about the same, maybe the Canon a bit faster. But again very much lens dependant.
I would like to have a Nikon for everything but the 800mm Nikon is sooo expensive.
You are joking right?
Canon 800mm and Nikon 800mm is like 3k difference...
I asked my local store how low they can go with it and they took off another 2K (said I was thinking about buying it). They said the Canon was already at it's lowest they can get (asked out of interest).
So thats a Nikon 800 for 13k and a Canon 800 for 12k. If you sell your 1Dx for like 5k, you still have a profit of 4k. You probably have some more telelenses, but all the Nikon's are cheaper than the Canon's so second hand Canon would be new Nikon.
p.4 #17 · D4 users, is it lacking sharpness compared to 1dx? Less detail & slower AF?
Mhh, where I live (NL euro) the Nikon is listed for 17K, the Canon for 12K. The Nikon is not yet in the shops so maybe in the near future the price will drop to the Canon level or lower. .
p.4 #18 · D4 users, is it lacking sharpness compared to 1dx? Less detail & slower AF?
I think this is what he's he's trying to do. ! I have both Canon and NIkon but, prefer Nikon since I feel they have the edge in sensor technology. I borrowed a 1D X from CPS and it's by no measure a better camera. Canon imo. has been less innovative these days and they won't get another cent from me until they get their act together in the sensor department. As far as reliability, my two D4s have been awesome in capturing the moment and that's all that matters to me when the client writes out the check!
p.4 #19 · D4 users, is it lacking sharpness compared to 1dx? Less detail & slower AF?
Photorph wrote:
Hi all, just trying to get some feedback from D4 users.
I am a canon user. I use a 1Dx and 5d mark iii and absolutely love them. Their AF is super fast, and they consistently produce tack sharp images in all situations. I saw this comparison online.
Really made me wonder if this is true. I'm mainly talking about two things, the DETAIL and the AF speed.
If you go to the "autofocus consistency" section, you can see side by side shots done with 2 different lenses at similar settings. The 1dx just seems to have so much more detail/sharpness. To rule out a micro af adjustment issue, they did the test with two different lenses (85mm primes and 70-200 2.8s) and even shot it at f3.5 to get more depth of field. Still the difference to my eyes was drastic.
So for the D4 users out there, is this consistent with what you are finding? Sample outdoor portraits with focus on eyes are always welcome! I am just curious because I have a friend who is invested in the Nikon system (but not heavily), and is considering a D4...but he could easily switch systems if there is really that big of a difference in detail.
I always say stick with the system you are invested in, but when spending a whole lot of change for pro bodies I wouldn't be happy with such a drastic difference in performance. Thoughts on this? Or maybe sample people images in natural lighting at 100% to show that the issue was something specific to their D4...
**EDIT: I now have personally tried both cameras and there is NO difference in sharpness between the two cameras. I have good reason to believe that their testing was flawed, perhaps and issue with their particular lens. I also did not notice any green tint issue that they spoke of in the d4. Overall they are both comparable and I would be very happy to have either one. If I shot mostly in low light, I would in fact pick the d4 over the 1dx as it's ability to lock focus in continuous mode far exceeds the 1dx. ...Show more →
"Fast is fine, but accuracy is everything." - Wyatt Earp
p.4 #20 · D4 users, is it lacking sharpness compared to 1dx? Less detail & slower AF?
I think folks are splitting hairs here. No need to get your panties all tied up. Life is not about 1s and 0s. The performance levels with these two flagship cameras are astounding.
) notable authority on this thread that has no website and I only went back through 8 pages (200 postings) and not a pic.
! I have both Canon and NIkon but, prefer Nikon since I feel they have the edge in sensor technology. I borrowed a 1D X from CPS and it's by no measure a better camera. Canon imo. has been less innovative these days and they won't get another cent from me until they get their act together in the sensor department. As far as reliability, my two D4s have been awesome in capturing the moment and that's all that matters to me when the client writes out the check!