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For me, the 800mm f5.6 is not too terrible to hand-hold for raptors in flight images...in this portfolio from Nepal all the 2013 images were shot with the 800mm (hand-held; approx 1/2500 sec exposure and 1600asa):

http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=1021128

and see Brahminy Kite photo - just shot this past weekend at the Rice Fields (near Petchaburi, Thailand) with the 800mm - hand-held.

OK back to my home in NYC - where I shoot mostly landscapes along the Bronx River at the Zoo (WCS) and NYBG.

Robert DeCandido PhD





Brahminy Kite - 800mm lens; hand-held...1/2500 sec at 1600asa




Jan 22, 2013 at 07:41 AM
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Sven Jeppesen wrote:
Even if using that combo on a tripod or monopod that's impressive. Especially when he write that he is old and have problems using heavy lenses
And he get razor-sharp images using the old and less good 600 lens together with a 2X TC !!! This is the lens he dumped for the 800 before, because the 800 was better and sharper. His article is very strange and not really credible.

Old 600 + 2TC = razor sharp at 1/60 or longer speed
Old 600 + 1,4 TC = much better than razor sharp
Old 600 no TC = much better again
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Jan 22, 2013 at 02:40 PM
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Matt Howell wrote:
Arthur Morris proves the real money to be made in photography is not in photography itself, but in selling the idea of photography to a bunch of amateurs.


yes it's all about money



Jan 22, 2013 at 02:41 PM
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Lars Johnsson wrote:
yes it's all about money


Just do what people in congress do - call your credit card company and ask them if they can raise your debt limit. You can easily get a 600mm and 800mm.



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For those considering trading in their 800m for a 600 II, I can't help but think that when Canon finally introduces the "next greatest" telephoto - the 200-400 f4 with the built-in 1.4x - that it will change the optimal combination yet again for folks like Arthur Morris who upgrade at every new introduction. I currently have a 300mm f4, a 500mm f4 I and the 800mm. If I was to make a change it would be to trade in the 300mm and 500mm for a 200-400mm which is lighter and much more flexible. (The built-in extender instantly turns the zoom into a 280-560mm which is a perfect compliment to an 800mm). The 200-400 would be ideal for zooming in on a closer, difficult fast moving target, and the 800mm would be ideal for pulling in a farther, slower/easier target. Owning a 600 II has the weight advantage of only a single lens, but it is not nearly as flexible as a combination of the 200-400 f4 and the 800 f5.6.

The estimated price for the 200-400 f4 puts it out of my budget, so I will be hanging on to my 300 f4 and 500 f4 I for now - both are excellent lenses and the 300 f4 has the additional advantage of having such a short MFD that I use it for semi-macro. But when the 200-400 f4 is available, I am guessing that Arthur Morris will change his tune about the 800mm. Andy Rouse swears by his Nikon 200-400 f4 (and his pictures are stunning), and the Canon version will probably make a big impact on wildlife photography for high-end Canon shooters, despite all the grumbling about the price from the folks who can't afford one.



Jan 23, 2013 at 07:32 PM
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My new 600mm II arrived little more than a week ago and I've yet to have the opportunity to take it for a test drive. I made sure it works. Dying to test it out already.

So at the moment I have the 600mm II and the 800mm II. I have the 200mm 1.8 and 300mm II also. Already sold off my 500mm IS v1. I'm hoping to make a decision on which long lens to keep. I can already say that the 600mm feels much lighter and better balanced. The 800mm has always been top heavy.



Feb 10, 2013 at 06:31 AM
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WHen I bout my MkIv's I think I could've traded 2 of them for a 1DX (had it been out) and a 5D3.

Now I would have to trade both my Iv's and part of my III to get one X.

Top gear takes a hit in resale.



Feb 10, 2013 at 07:10 PM
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Interesting comments here.
Sally Jo, I don't think you will ever need your 800 as the 600 stacks up very well against it, even with a 1.4.
Is there a good reason to dump the 800? No way. It is a top of the line lens. Right now, the 600II and the 1.4III and the 800 are pretty close to the same lens.
No one in their right mind would dump that great lens for a 600 unless there are other reasons.
On the other hand, there might be reasons to buy a 600II instead of a 800 now. I like the 600 for the same reasons as Sally Jo. The weight pont is real and does help when handholding or folliwng a target.
Frankly I question if all this discussion will solve anything as both of these lenses are so close to equal in performance most of us could not see the difference.



Feb 11, 2013 at 09:54 PM
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