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| p.13 #9 · Diado Moriyama shooting jpg with a P&S |
You are right. I apologize for saying "They both suck".
First, I should clarify that I was speaking specifically about the two photos in question (Moriyama's pink bathwater and Eggleston's green shower) not about their entire bodies of work. If you look back at the context, you'll see that this is the case. Also, if you look at my other posts, I always tried to specify "Moriyma's current colour work" as opposed to "Moriyama's work."
I should have said "they are equally unappealing and meaningless to me". This is something that I would feel comfortable saying to fellow FMers, but I do not often have the need or desire to say it, to be honest.
I would definitely not say "it sucks" to people around here because in some way, even if small, I feel I know many of the people around here. The sense of community changes things. It is only natural to afford members of a community more respect than strangers (whether the stranger is "famous" or not). Perhaps not "right", but I think many people do tend to do so.
None of us are perfect, and I apologize for being crass about the two photos that I found so unappealing.
I will not, however, apologize for any of my return fire towards the OP and I do not think he/she deserves a 3rd chance. I will click "hide me" on the OP and take away only what I have learned from some of the other contributors here, including yourself.
Nicely put and you demonstrate why I feel posters on this forum are often a step above the others
P.S. I am not on board with this whole "don't understand" nonsense. I "don't understand" the vast majority of visual artists, and I am the first to admit it; this doesn't prevent me from loving their work. Van Gogh, Dali, etc. I have no clue what was going on in their minds (and I don't need to know), but I love to look at their work.
I do not strive to understand the artists. This isn't the point of art to me, and if the artist goes about things with this intent then they are a failure from the start. Nihilists who attempt to project their own ego through some form of mass media. FAIL. The art should be about the subject(s), or simply about the art itself.
I strive to appreciate the art itself or learn something about the subject(s) of the art, and for that I do not necessarily have to understand the artist. All I need to do is interpret it. Interpretation is the biggest factor in art. Some art is more conducive to "obvious" interpretation. Other art approaches the "uninterpretable". Either way, it is all variably pleasant or unpleasant to look at regardless of "understanding" or "interpretation."
"Understanding" Moriyama would not allow me to enjoy interpreting or simply looking at his colour photos. Maybe he's wise. Maybe he's a nihilist pedophile. I don't know, and I don't care.
This reminds me of an odd experience I once had. My wife and I had a chance to hang some of our "art" at a local restaurant for a few weeks. Various types of stuff, including several landscapes that I had shot. One particular shot that many around here have seen (Distagon 21 Castle) caught the eye of someone at the opening and this person proceeded to question me on all sorts of aspects of the photo. Why did I choose to frame it so, why so much water in the foreground, what was I feeling/thinking when I took the shot... This person actually seemed to need to know all of this in order to enjoy the photo. This surprised me, and nervous laughter was all I could manage. Granted, some photos do have a story behind them, but some photos are just photos. I can enjoy both without understanding the artist.
(Note: The person in question had been to art school.)
Well, I put "understanding" in quotes since I feel this is a loaded term and subject to a whole mess of semantic chicanery.
But, I will remark that not all art is meant to be "pleasant" to look at. Some art is supposed to be visually bland or even ugly. It is not surprising that most photographers are looking for some type of visually engaging quality in art. I am the first to admit that is the kind of art I like best. But, not all artists are striving to make something visually engaging (or at least not at first glance), sometimes there is a different intent, and that is where I think the disconnect happens. Art is hugely diverse and a lot of it is made with different purposes in mind. What is good art and bad art, that is open to individual judgement. But I don't think it needs to be appealing to me for it to be successful.
I have seen a lot of art that I don't care for. Sometimes the work is so unengaging to me that I actually am curious as to why it is even considered worthy of display. So I may investigate further, and come to find out about the artist's intent. Sometimes it makes sense to me, and sometimes I find a new appreciation for the work and the artist's thinking. And sometimes I don't. And sometimes I'm genuinely surprised, and those are the moments I love best.