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carstenw wrote:
Well no, not at all, really. Not even close.
We all enjoy different artists here, and we all enjoy different equipment. We all use both left and right hemispheres, to various extents. The clash here is primarily between people who don't happen to appreciate Moriyama (which is of course fine; no one has to like any particular artist) and people who just don't want to accept that as a valid position.
I appreciate your reading list, but to be honest, you come across as if you are shoehorning this discussion into an old conflict mould you are carrying around with you, and not really looking at what was actually said here. The whole Leica/Zeiss thing was something which only you brought up, for example, and the left-right hemisphere controversy is not something either which is relevant here, however interesting....Show more →
As I've stated, it's not to be taken literally. Clashing thing is what makes revolutionary fire, as a famous political philosopher once said.
And I don't understand what point you are trying to make. The discussion started in a quite polarised fashion, with either canonisation or outright dismissal, and has progressed in such a way as to give notice to those who don't like Daido's work that maybe they should spend a bit of time trying to understand it and, perhaps, to those who do like it unconditionally that they should try to explain it and not canonise it, that's all. As I said previously, I'm in the middle, as I don't particularly care for his work, but I think people should see it as a toolbox and try to figure what it could do for them - make a bit of an effort. If at the end of that process they still don't like it fine; he's no mandatory genius and no one's obliged to see him like that.
On your other point, I don't think I'm shoehorning anything, quite the opposite. I've stated before that I think this forum is quite narrow in its spectrum and quite formalist, not least because it's a gear forum; so it's good to open up the discussion sometimes to stuff that's outside that narrow realm. I provided a list of things I like and texts I've read precisely because the OP wasn't coming forth with explanations and a list of stuff, as it had been requested, and also to support my claims and to try to open up the discussion a bit. Take it or leave it, as I said, you don't have to go looking for anything you don't want to or read anything on that list. As for the Leica/Zeiss mention, it's a term of comparison in the context of an argument, but it seems to have touched a raw nerve somewhere with some people. As I said, Leica and Carl Zeiss have been important agents in the history of photography and have shaped it immeasurably, particularly Leica, so this is not a form of reversed snobbery - I do not use or carry a P&S, BTW, and I'm no Daido wannabe...
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