PetKal wrote:
I wish Canon would go all the way with their new camera crop factor and make it something like 3.2. That way, all the folks who are presently "reach limited" with their 200mm lenses might attain an equivalent of 800mm on FF body.
Well, not everyone can afford an 800L and a 1DX like you, so be kind.
n0b0 wrote:
At best, I think Canon will place a highend 7D2 slightly below the 5D3. That means some features will be crippled below the 5D3, like the AF, while others boosted slightly above, like the burst rate.
Crippling the AF of a body primarily designed for sports/action is not a good thing. If Canon does this they will be roasted.
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Steve I also think 1D X is limited physically by the ability to move the mirror any faster. It may not be a digic V+ bottleneck. Additionally we can't be sure if Canon had of traded high ISO performance for more res would the dual digic's still been able to push 12fps say at 22MP. Also as stated Sony's A77 can achieve 12fps @ 24MP with their BIONZ engine. Canon can change digic specs going forward. I cannot see Canon waiting 5 years for a true 7D replacement. It's now over 3 years and I'd say a PMA announcement would be reasonable....Show more →
The other way to look at Digic 5+ bottleneck is to start with the 5D MKIII which has 134 mps throughput with one digic card. If you look at the past models adding a second cards doesn't get you anywhere close to double the throughput, which makes sense because the cards can't work together that efficiently. You get about 1.6 to 1.7 the throughput. So, if the 5D MKIII is optimizing the throughput using one digic 5+, then two would only get you 214 to 228 mps, still short of the 247 mps needed for the specs in this rumour. Yes, the Sony can achieve more throughput, but is it only 12 bit files instead of 14 bit (if so then this certainly helps the throughput)? Also given the different sensors and ways of treating RAW files, throughput across platforms may not be equivalent. Canon certainly could and I think will upgrade to Digic 6 this year, but I still think it will just be in the high megapixel full frame for now.
ggreene wrote:
Crippling the AF of a body primarily designed for sports/action is not a good thing. If Canon does this they will be roasted.
As I said earlier, it depends on what Canon will design the 7D2 for. The current 7D is not designed purely for sports/action, it was simply a premium do-it-all crop body that happens to signal the beginning of Canon AF revolution.
Is Canon going to change the role of the 7D2 and turn it into a highend sport/action DSLR, ie. the 1D4 replacement? I don't know, but I have my doubt. If Canon thinks that market is big enough, they wouldn't have killed off the APS-H sensor and changed their 1D lineup.
ggreene wrote:
Crippling the AF of a body primarily designed for sports/action is not a good thing. If Canon does this they will be roasted.
Personally think that 'crippling' is the dumbest word any forum people use. It's not crippled, it's a decision to offer different specs in cameras that have a different purpose and price point.
AaronNegro wrote:
Makes sense but I wonder what would happen if the 10 FPS are done the same way as the 14 FPS of the 1DX. I think we are going to see a 22MP 1.3 Crop 7D MarkII with 5DIII AF and 10FPS without continuous focussing.
22MP
Crop 1.3 hybrid Sensor for continuous video Focussing
ISO up to 25600 with H1 and H2 modes
61 Points AF
8 FPS and 10 FPS mirror locked
100% VF
Dual Cards
2499USD price on release
I'm not in the market for any camera like that these days but I can see some drooling and running to get one.
These specs don't make much sense. What would this camera be for? Video focusing on a 1.3 crop with high-end sports features? They have never really pushed high-end video to anything but a FF, the 7d was never a video focused cam. I think the original spec list looks a lot more accurate. The price will also likely stay below $2000 on this one. The 7d came in around $1500 and I would expect only a small increase, unless hey move the 7d to more of he 1d4 area.
Imagemaster wrote:
Really? It seems any time Canon brings out a new model, someone claims cannibalization of other models.
I guess Ford, Toyota, etc. should never bring out new models either? More variety = more customers, cannibalization or not.
There are tens of thousands of photographers that want a new Canon 1.6x crop camera. That is a fact and you can put me on that list.
Agree with this. Nothing in these specs suggests hat this camera would limit sales of any existing cams. This isn't competing with FF bodies or the 1Dx. I think mostly forum viewers make up these strategies that they think companies like canon are using, arm chair quarterbacking at its best.
I think Canon is simplifying their lineup. I think the 7D will be the premier crop camera and will eliminate the xxd series. So we will have the Rebel and then the 7D for crop cameras. Then the 6D, 5D, 1D, and whatever the new high megapixel beast is going to be called, 4D?
jctriguy wrote:
Personally think that 'crippling' is the dumbest word any forum people use. It's not crippled, it's a decision to offer different specs in cameras that have a different purpose and price point.
Offering a body with 10 FPS sort of assumes that it is designed for action photography were you need fast AF lock and tracking. Crippling that function goes against that very design. Who wants 10 OOF frames?
ggreene wrote:
Offering a body with 10 FPS sort of assumes that it is designed for action photography were you need fast AF lock and tracking. Crippling that function goes against that very design. Who wants 10 OOF frames?
My objection is to the word 'crippling'. I think it is the dumbest word that anyone uses to describe equipment. And we have no idea what the specs are or what specific AF unit or variation will be included in the camera (if it really is coming in the spring).
I think a lot of people are very happy with the AF in the 7D and it seems to keep up to 8FPS without much trouble. Lots of great examples on this forum of what is possible with the 'crippled' AF in the 7D.
Well, perhaps canon is thinking of new 7D as a pseudo 1D MKIV replacement. The 1DX is the sports camera that is good for those photographers that shoot action and aren't focal length limited. 18 mpx is good and FF is the best choice because of the high ISO properties.
You then have the other group that shoots wildlife and is focal length limited. The group is willing to give up some high ISO for reach. So give them a kick butt crop camera that is about 2500. You then serve both markets and on average end up at the same price as the 1DIV was.
ggreene wrote:
Offering a body with 10 FPS sort of assumes that it is designed for action photography were you need fast AF lock and tracking. Crippling that function goes against that very design. Who wants 10 OOF frames?
There is now no reason to think Canon will "cripple" the camera in any way thesedays. I'm sure it won't get all the 1D X fruit, like the colour metering with it's separate digic IV processor and it won't be dual CF cards, but as long as the SD card supports UHSI that's not a concern. At worst the 7D II may get a modified version of the 5D III AF since the AF sensor on that is huge and they may need to remove some peripheral points for reliable AF from the extreme outer points. Just guessing.
jctriguy wrote:
My objection is to the word 'crippling'. I think it is the dumbest word that anyone uses to describe equipment. And we have no idea what the specs are or what specific AF unit or variation will be included in the camera (if it really is coming in the spring).
I think a lot of people are very happy with the AF in the 7D and it seems to keep up to 8FPS without much trouble. Lots of great examples on this forum of what is possible with the 'crippled' AF in the 7D.
Considering that some marketing types use that internally I'm not sure it is so crazy a word....
jctriguy wrote:
My objection is to the word 'crippling'. I think it is the dumbest word that anyone uses to describe equipment. And we have no idea what the specs are or what specific AF unit or variation will be included in the camera (if it really is coming in the spring).
I think a lot of people are very happy with the AF in the 7D and it seems to keep up to 8FPS without much trouble. Lots of great examples on this forum of what is possible with the 'crippled' AF in the 7D.
Why do you think it's dumb? I would say that some Canon cameras have been crippled, eg. the EOS M with no pop up flash, or the 6D with a single axis level.
For me, crippling simply means not giving a camera the features or specs it should have, which affect its value for money. Feature and specs wise, I would say the current 7D is an excellent value for money, whereas the 6D is rather poor.
Now, since the current 7D has 100% VF, if the MkII comes with 98% VF I would say it's crippled. Wouldn't you? I'm not saying that would happen, it's just to illustrate my point. Noone knows what the features of the MkII are, that's why it's called speculation.
I thought product crippling had a very specific meaning. The components for some feature exist in the product, but the access to them is blocked with a hardware or firmware configuration setting at the factory.
The 7D needs a more consistent/reliable AF implementation and improved sensor technology.
I tend to agree with the school of thought... if it's too good to be true; it usually is.
However, our current 7D is ready for replacement soon. A mark 2 sounds great to me if it's as good as the 7D for wildlife and outdoors.
I guess only time will tell. I will hold off on any new purchase until there is more soid information available.
