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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · The Canon 50mm lens challenge


PatrickE wrote:
#1 1.2
#2 1.2
#3 1.4
#4 1.2


I like your picks, Patrick, but #1 has slightly nervous bokeh that I don't associate with the 1.2 (also has front focusing, so I'd expect the 1.2 to have even more OOF background). With its vignetting and bokeh it reminds me of some close-ups I did of my daughter that lead to me finally selling the 1.8. I don't recall if he said he only used these two (1.2 & 1.4), or if the 1.8 was in the display too.



Nov 15, 2012 at 06:58 AM
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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · The Canon 50mm lens challenge


I've owned three copies of the 50/1.4. The major advantage of the 1.2 is that it maintains contrast in the range from f/1.4 to f/1.8 where the 1.4 has a lot of halation. Maybe that matters to you, maybe it doesn't. Portraiture tends to benefit from the lesser contrast.

With non-portraits, I'd take the 1.2 over the 1.4 up to f/2. From f/2 onward, the 1.8 and 1.4 are almost interchangeable and significantly better to the edges than the 1.2.

With portraits, I'd take the 1.4 always unless I desperately needed f/1.2.

The 1.8 has poor AF accuracy and consistency. It becomes increasingly less reliable on high-megapixel bodies. I don't consider it trustworthy on my 5D II.



Nov 15, 2012 at 07:24 AM
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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · The Canon 50mm lens challenge


I'll join in, although I would prefer to see the picture in higher resolution to see more details.

#1, #4 50L
#2, #3 50 1.4

I have little suspicion that #4 might be taken with 50 1.4.

R



Nov 15, 2012 at 01:10 PM
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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · The Canon 50mm lens challenge


Pixel Perfect wrote:
That's the trouble with the canon 50mm lens, it always seems to attract these tiny little people that smile at you - very disconcerting and why I'm loathe to use one.

http://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/smilielol.gif


I'm guessing #4 is your favorite?



Nov 15, 2012 at 04:05 PM
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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · The Canon 50mm lens challenge


Im saying #1,4 with 50 F1.4 #2,3 with the L

I love my 50mm but its need some TLC from Canon, think the focus is going wonky.
A few of my favorites from the past few months.

















Nov 15, 2012 at 04:46 PM
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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · The Canon 50mm lens challenge


These lenses are too close to be able to tell the difference in a series of random shots like this. Especially shots that don't have busy background detail, which is the only real way to tell these lenses apart. The sharpness between a 50L / EF 50 1.4 is pretty much the same wide open. The only difference is the EF 50 1.4 randomly and unpredictably loses contrast/sharpness to halation so certain conditions lead to a very dreamy look wide open. I was never able to accurately predict when this would happen and this is the reason I kept the 50L: consistent, predictable results wide open all the time. It not sharp at wider apertures the way the 35L/85L/135L are, but it has tons of contrast that definitely make the images appear sharp.

The other main difference is the EF 50 1.4's bokeh between f/1.4-f/1.8 (terrible). This is the reason that I bought a 50L. It's only an issue wide open with specular highlights in the background. Stop it down to f/2 and the nervous quality goes away--at this point it's as good/better than the 50L. But, I wanted to shoot wide open. Here are two shots, one with the 50L and one with the EF 50 1.4, taken 25 seconds apart from each other. Same settings for both: ISO 100, f/1.4, 1/2000th of a second shutter.

Exhibit A:
http://www.riseofx.com/50v1.jpg

Exhibit B:
http://www.riseofx.com/50v2.jpg



Nov 15, 2012 at 06:11 PM
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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · The Canon 50mm lens challenge


That second image has smoother bokeh, especially on the bench, and smoother bokeh around the red steps (including the reflection bokeh).

So, I hope that second image is the 50L !!

To be fair, the L is a 1.2, so.... I'd love to see both of those shots at 1.4.



Nov 15, 2012 at 07:18 PM
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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · The Canon 50mm lens challenge


I'm really having trouble making a guess on these, but I'll kick in with one. Then when it's all said and done, I'll have something to say about lenses.
http://photos.imageevent.com/ajrphotos/picsinprogress/sIMG_7068.jpg



Nov 15, 2012 at 07:31 PM
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Kirivon wrote:
Exhibit A:
http://www.riseofx.com/50v1.jpg

Exhibit B:
http://www.riseofx.com/50v2.jpg


A should be the 50 1.4, B should be the 50L.. kudos on setting up an incredibly challenging background!



Nov 15, 2012 at 07:42 PM
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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · The Canon 50mm lens challenge


To be honest: If this is the difference I do not care about 1.2/1.4.

@ badlydrawnboy:
Although you cut away her hand ... this picture is wonderful! Thank you.




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Chumma wrote:
http://chummanet.com/Public/ph11141201.jpg


I'm guessing 50/1.2 here?



Nov 16, 2012 at 12:34 AM
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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · The Canon 50mm lens challenge


For what it's worth, here are the answers for my 4 photos:

1. 50/1.4
2. 50/1.2
3. 50/1.2
4. 50/1.4

I agree with Kirivon. I've used the Canon 50/1.2, 50/1.4 and 50/1.8, as well as the Sigma 50/1.4. They all have their strengths and weaknesses, and I think it is difficult to tell the difference between them in everyday shots.

I am still trying to decide myself between the 50/1.2 and 50/1.4. 50mm is my most-used focal length by far, so I really wish the 50/1.2 was at the same level as the 35L and 85L II (both of which I have). In my opinion, it's not. It is more consistent wide open than the 50/1.4, and of course lets in a little more light, but my copy of the 50/1.4 is actually sharper wide open than my 50/1.2. I also like the smaller weight and size of the 50/1.4.

As for the proposed "magic quality" of the 50/1.2, I just don't see it. I've made shots with both the 50/1.4 and 50/1.2 that people have assigned this quality to, and I think it depends a lot more on light, color, composition and processing than any special quality of the lens.

I may end up going with the 50/1.2 for the consistency, build quality, and slightly wider aperture. But I don't think it's worth >$1,000 than the 50/1.4 not by a long shot. In contrast, I've never once regretted the absurd amount of money I spent on the 85L.



Nov 16, 2012 at 01:03 AM
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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · The Canon 50mm lens challenge


Gunzorro wrote:
I like your picks, Patrick, but #1 has slightly nervous bokeh that I don't associate with the 1.2 (also has front focusing, so I'd expect the 1.2 to have even more OOF background). With its vignetting and bokeh it reminds me of some close-ups I did of my daughter that lead to me finally selling the 1.8. I don't recall if he said he only used these two (1.2 & 1.4), or if the 1.8 was in the display too.


I was unsure with the first being 1.2. I took the OP as comparing the 1.2 & 1.4. Went back and read it again. I think he meant all three. So I'm going to change my first post.

I agree with your comments.

Pat



Nov 16, 2012 at 01:18 AM
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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · The Canon 50mm lens challenge


PatrickE: I was only comparing the 50/1.4 and 50/1.2.


Nov 16, 2012 at 01:21 AM
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badlydrawnboy wrote:
PatrickE: I was only comparing the 50/1.4 and 50/1.2.


OK

I'm changing it back.



Nov 16, 2012 at 01:22 AM
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badlydrawnboy wrote:
For what it's worth, here are the answers for my 4 photos:

1. 50/1.4
2. 50/1.2
3. 50/1.2
4. 50/1.4

I agree with Kirivon. I've used the Canon 50/1.2, 50/1.4 and 50/1.8, as well as the Sigma 50/1.4. They all have their strengths and weaknesses, and I think it is difficult to tell the difference between them in everyday shots.

I am still trying to decide myself between the 50/1.2 and 50/1.4. 50mm is my most-used focal length by far, so I really wish the 50/1.2 was at the same level as the 35L and 85L II (both of which I have). In my opinion, it's
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Very interesting, and just proves that composition and editing is KEY when it comes to the L and the 1.4 comparisons. Not to say the L isn't better, but it's obviously not that much better if we take these photos as examples.



Nov 16, 2012 at 01:45 AM
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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · The Canon 50mm lens challenge


I can play, as we are talking children....
Sorry for the "lack" of background, but it makes it harder to guess!

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7139/7618060536_d021d86741_c.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8422/7859951774_33a314fafc_c.jpg



Nov 16, 2012 at 08:15 AM
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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · The Canon 50mm lens challenge


badlydrawnboy wrote:
For what it's worth, here are the answers for my 4 photos:

1. 50/1.4
2. 50/1.2
3. 50/1.2
4. 50/1.4

I agree with Kirivon. I've used the Canon 50/1.2, 50/1.4 and 50/1.8, as well as the Sigma 50/1.4. They all have their strengths and weaknesses, and I think it is difficult to tell the difference between them in everyday shots.

I am still trying to decide myself between the 50/1.2 and 50/1.4. 50mm is my most-used focal length by far, so I really wish the 50/1.2 was at the same level as the 35L and 85L II (both of which I have). In my opinion, it's
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Your assessment sums up really well there, but I hardly believe 2 & 4 were produced by 50L as the bokeh is really busy and quite annoying to my eyes and thought 50L could have the background smoother. Although I am thinking of selling my 50 1.4 and substitute with 40 2.8 instead and won't probably get another 50mm until they revise the 50 1.4 or have a super deal with Sigma 50mm.



Nov 16, 2012 at 10:11 AM
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robinlee wrote:
Your assessment sums up really well there, but I hardly believe 2 & 4 were produced by 50L as the bokeh is really busy and quite annoying to my eyes and thought 50L could have the background smoother. Although I am thinking of selling my 50 1.4 and substitute with 40 2.8 instead and won't probably get another 50mm until they revise the 50 1.4 or have a super deal with Sigma 50mm.


#4 was not the 50/1.2; it was the 50/1.4. Or did you mean #3?

I forgot to mention that I found the Sigma to be a nearly ideal compromise; sharper than the Canon 50/1.4 wide open, better bokeh and build quality, and a nice rendering quality. If not for the horribly inconsistent AF (even after micro-adjustment and trying three copies of the lens over a 2-year period), that would be my choice.

But, like you, I'm hoping that Canon revises the 50/1.4 in the same way they've revised the wider angle primes. If they do a good job with it, as it looks like they've done with the 35/2, I'll buy that in a heartbeat.



Nov 16, 2012 at 02:21 PM
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p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · The Canon 50mm lens challenge


I like the interest and fun the challenge created. But I'd still like a more controlled series of comparisons shot wide open and at varying distances. It's impossible to draw any conclusion from the challenge except that either of these two lenses is capable of decent images -- and we already know that! Not trying to throw a wet blanket on the cute kids -- these are all great shots.

For the record, I loved my EF 50/1.4 and deeply regretted selling it to help pay for a Zeiss ZE 1.4 that I immediately go rid of. I kept the EF 50 macro in the meantime and still love that, and now my new love joins it, the 50L for all the reasons you mentioned. Great combo, those two. Deep dissatisfaction with my original 50/1.8 started this whole ball rolling, once I got rid of it.

So, from me it's thumbs up for the Canon 50L, 50/1.4 and 50 macro, and thumbs down for the 50/1.8 and ZE 1.4.



Nov 16, 2012 at 02:51 PM
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