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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · Are the D4, D800 and D600 the same camera with different casing?


The D4 sensor is made by Renseas, the sensors of the D800 and D600 by Sony.
Sony uses a massive column parallel read-out architecture, which gives it very low readnoise at base ISO levels. The D4 has a classic multipath sequential ADC circuits.

Even if the AF module might be identical between D800 and D4, the key difference is the significant shorter blackout time the D4 is capable to deliver (due to its faster fps a requirement).

According to chipworks the D800 and D600 sensors are made in 180 nanometer chip process, the D4 in 250 nanometer.

This is how the D800 pixel structure looks like (source:chipworks)
http://www.chipworks.com/blog/technologyblog/files/2012/10/Figure_1a.jpg
http://www.chipworks.com/blog/technologyblog/files/2012/10/Figure_1b.jpg

This is the respective D4 pixel.
http://www.chipworks.com/blog/technologyblog/files/2012/10/Figure_2a.jpg
http://www.chipworks.com/blog/technologyblog/files/2012/10/Figure_2b.jpg

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Andy


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Oct 29, 2012 at 02:47 PM
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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · Are the D4, D800 and D600 the same camera with different casing?


So rhyder, what next- talking smack on my Mama?


Oct 29, 2012 at 02:48 PM
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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · Are the D4, D800 and D600 the same camera with different casing?


ckcarr wrote:
Only thing I say is if you are concerned about hard drive space wwith D800 raw files, buy a 2 or 3 tb hard drive and add to your computer. They aren't that much money.


I do have two additional 2TB external hard drives and they are full of photos (and backups). Regarding D800 raw files what I have been doing is to keep only the ones that are excellent shots.



Oct 29, 2012 at 03:29 PM
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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · Are the D4, D800 and D600 the same camera with different casing?


RDParker wrote:
So rhyder, what next- talking smack on my Mama?


Nah...I wouldn't do that....but you should move out of her basement.............



Oct 29, 2012 at 03:47 PM
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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · Are the D4, D800 and D600 the same camera with different casing?


Ken Rockwell is the MItt Romney of photography.


Oct 29, 2012 at 03:53 PM
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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · Are the D4, D800 and D600 the same camera with different casing?


lexdiamonnyc wrote:
Ken Rockwell is the MItt Romney of photography.


Please, please, please do not turn this camera forum into your own little political debate forum. I have a hard enough time getting away from that crap as it is.

brad



Oct 29, 2012 at 04:30 PM
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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · Are the D4, D800 and D600 the same camera with different casing?


DigMeTX wrote:
Please, please, please do not turn this camera forum into your own little political debate forum. I have a hard enough time getting away from that crap as it is.

brad


of course not, just making the point that KR lives in an alternate reality.....that's all


btw, I don't agree with him at all......all three FX cameras are very different from each other, they share a few parts but not enough to call them "the same camera".



Oct 29, 2012 at 05:02 PM
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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · Are the D4, D800 and D600 the same camera with different casing?


lexdiamonnyc wrote:
Ken Rockwell is the MItt Romney of photography.


A much better analogy is that he's the Consumer Reports of camera equipment. Like CR, his advice is only useful to those with very little knowledge of the product and who tend to have very basic needs. I'm sure he understands that advanced users can see he's full of baloney, but that's the price of making a good living as a crank.



Oct 29, 2012 at 05:41 PM
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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · Are the D4, D800 and D600 the same camera with different casing?


Steve Perry wrote:
He's just spouting nonsense for attention - not the first time...


I love his articles and comments. If you fail to see his irony and humour, yes, I understand your comment, but if you read between the lines, you will realise he is telling the truth more often than most other.

The D4, D800 and D600 ARE the same, for most people and for most situations.



Oct 29, 2012 at 05:56 PM
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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · Are the D4, D800 and D600 the same camera with different casing?


K-Rock strike again!


Oct 29, 2012 at 06:06 PM
 

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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · Are the D4, D800 and D600 the same camera with different casing?


Hendrik wrote:
I love his articles and comments. If you fail to see his irony and humour, yes, I understand your comment, but if you read between the lines, you will realise he is telling the truth more often than most other.

The D4, D800 and D600 ARE the same, for most people and for most situations.


I like your humour but not KRs



Oct 29, 2012 at 07:40 PM
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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · Are the D4, D800 and D600 the same camera with different casing?


Same?
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My experience/observation. I have a D50 and a D90 and they can both use the d90 battery so you would think the battery door would be the same. They are NOT.
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If you can't even use a simple battery door across models I have little faith of the design engineer using much commonality except where he absolutely has to --- lens and flash mount/interface.
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Most manufactures would not be able to use so many unique parts that are so near to each other in form/fit and performance unless they were getting huge margins. Cameras are not a commodity so I guess they are okay.



Oct 29, 2012 at 09:42 PM
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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · Are the D4, D800 and D600 the same camera with different casing?


lexdiamonnyc wrote:
Ken Rockwell is the MItt Romney of photography.



Love it !!!

+100



Oct 30, 2012 at 09:00 PM
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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · Are the D4, D800 and D600 the same camera with different casing?


Yes, the D600, D800, and D4 are all the same cameras. I think people have finally caught on to Nikon's scheme. I knew there was something fishy going on. Thank you for pointing this out Mr. Rockwell. You are my hero.


Oct 30, 2012 at 09:20 PM
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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · Are the D4, D800 and D600 the same camera with different casing?


They are the same cameras. They take pictures. duh!
They are full frame. So same!
I think I will now go over there and donate so he can feed his hungry family.







Oct 30, 2012 at 09:25 PM
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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · Are the D4, D800 and D600 the same camera with different casing?


I just hope that KR doesn't expose the fact the ALL Nikon cameras are made by Canon. They just put the Nikon name on them to avoid being called a monopoly.......



Oct 30, 2012 at 10:45 PM
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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · Are the D4, D800 and D600 the same camera with different casing?


lexdiamonnyc wrote:
Ken Rockwell is the Mitt Romney of photography.


You know what they say about Nikon -- the cameras are all the right size.



Oct 30, 2012 at 11:11 PM
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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · Are the D4, D800 and D600 the same camera with different casing?


The same? pick up a D4, a D800 and D600, you can easily tell the D4 uses much better grade lead


Oct 31, 2012 at 12:20 AM
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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · Are the D4, D800 and D600 the same camera with different casing?


Avi B wrote:
I think I will now go over there and donate so he can feed his hungry family.



Poor guy. I will donate to him so he can actually afford some real gear instead of making ridiculous assumptions.



Oct 31, 2012 at 12:41 AM
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p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · Are the D4, D800 and D600 the same camera with different casing?


Thanks, AndreasE for the diagrams, not that I understand them. Now I realize though that the sensors are different. Not that I would buy a D4. I would be perfectly happy with a D 700, but they are hard to find.


Oct 31, 2012 at 02:38 PM
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