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Archive 2012 · Whats the point of the 1DIV now the 1Dx has F8 focusing

  
 
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p.1 #1 · Whats the point of the 1DIV now the 1Dx has F8 focusing


I would like to here the reasons to go with the Mark IV over the 1Dx seeing it has focusing at F8 now. I personaaly have not used the Mark IV since the 1Dx, I just like it better. With that said the Mark IV is a great back up body.

I only think reasons now would be

1) price
2) 1.3 crop body
3) back up body

anything else?



Oct 28, 2012 at 05:33 AM
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p.1 #2 · Whats the point of the 1DIV now the 1Dx has F8 focusing


I think the 1DIV is a good "companion" for the 1DX. I often shoot a 1DX and 1DIV together, one is backup for the other. For field sports in the past, I've used the 1DIV on 70-200/2.8L IS II, plus 1DX (prev. 1DsIII) on 500/4L IS. Now I'm experimenting with 1DX on 70-200/2.8L IS II, plus 1DIV on EX 120-300/2.8 OS.

Also, the 1DIV has a higher pixel density, at 175 ppmm, compared with 144 ppmm for the 1DX. This is not always a good thing, but in this case, it works.



Oct 28, 2012 at 05:44 AM
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p.1 #3 · Whats the point of the 1DIV now the 1Dx has F8 focusing


Price, price, and more price.


Oct 28, 2012 at 09:15 AM
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p.1 #4 · Whats the point of the 1DIV now the 1Dx has F8 focusing


We poor folk cannot afford a 1DX. And our boss doesn't give us the go ahead to buy one.


Oct 28, 2012 at 09:33 AM
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p.1 #5 · Whats the point of the 1DIV now the 1Dx has F8 focusing


1.3 crop and plenty fast... only reason to upgrade would be better low iso with 1DX, which is the main reason I switched.


Oct 28, 2012 at 09:41 AM
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p.1 #6 · Whats the point of the 1DIV now the 1Dx has F8 focusing


spdntrxi wrote:
1.3 crop and plenty fast... only reason to upgrade would be better low iso with 1DX, which is the main reason I switched.


How much better is the low ISO with the 1Dx, and in what ways? This is very important to me since I prefer to shoot with as low of an ISO as possible. Thanks in advance.



Oct 28, 2012 at 09:53 AM
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p.1 #7 · Whats the point of the 1DIV now the 1Dx has F8 focusing


The 1DX also has much better high ISO than the 1DIV.


Oct 28, 2012 at 10:12 AM
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p.1 #8 · Whats the point of the 1DIV now the 1Dx has F8 focusing


jcolwell wrote:
The 1DX also has much better high ISO than the 1DIV.


I agree with this 100%



Oct 28, 2012 at 10:29 AM
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p.1 #9 · Whats the point of the 1DIV now the 1Dx has F8 focusing


~$3,500 USD.


Oct 28, 2012 at 11:05 AM
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p.1 #10 · Whats the point of the 1DIV now the 1Dx has F8 focusing


The smaller pixels provide greater reach, plain and simple.

EBH



Oct 28, 2012 at 12:18 PM
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p.1 #11 · Whats the point of the 1DIV now the 1Dx has F8 focusing


Some of us might ask the question "as long as there is a 1D Mark IV, what is the point of the 1DX?" While I have no question that the 1DX is an outstanding camera and that it has some capabilities that exceed those of the 1D Mark IV, with a pixel density that is only approximately that of a 1D Mark III, the 1DX, regardless of whether it can focus at f8, comes with limitations that are important for some of us who often shoot in focal length-limited situations and who, even putting money aside, have little interest in using larger and heavier lenses.

When Canon announces a 1DX Mark III in 5 years and when that camera has enough pixels to exceed the pixel density of the 1D Mark IV I will have considerable enthusiasm for the camera. Until then, I can't get excited about a camera that is going to require me to use lenses that weigh considerably more than the ones that I can use with the 1D Mark IV and/or lenses that might well be a stop slower than the lenses that I can use with a 1D Mark IV. For me, the mobility advantages that come with being able to use shorter lenses outweigh whatever other advantages that the 1DX may have.

Les



Oct 28, 2012 at 12:24 PM
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p.1 #12 · Whats the point of the 1DIV now the 1Dx has F8 focusing


(2) 1DMkIV > (1) 1DX


Oct 28, 2012 at 12:30 PM
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p.1 #13 · Whats the point of the 1DIV now the 1Dx has F8 focusing


Hi Les,

I agree with your thinking to a point. I am of an age and physical ability that size and weight does not matter much to me at this point. "some of us who often shoot in focal length-limited situations" that would be me most of the time thus the reason I use and own the 800mm. That is why F8 is important to me. I think Canon has done some good things with the 1dx but that does not mean I am selling my Mark IV

Thanks for everyones input so far



Oct 28, 2012 at 12:41 PM
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p.1 #14 · Whats the point of the 1DIV now the 1Dx has F8 focusing


artsupreme wrote:
(2) 1DMkIV > (1) 1DX


good point



Oct 28, 2012 at 12:42 PM
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p.1 #15 · Whats the point of the 1DIV now the 1Dx has F8 focusing


Well of course you should have two of the 1DX if a backup is necessary.

EBH



Oct 28, 2012 at 12:45 PM
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p.1 #16 · Whats the point of the 1DIV now the 1Dx has F8 focusing


jcolwell wrote:
The 1DX also has much better high ISO than the 1DIV.



How much is "much"?

I don't shoot over 800 and very seldom over 400 ISO.



Oct 28, 2012 at 04:06 PM
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p.1 #17 · Whats the point of the 1DIV now the 1Dx has F8 focusing


I haven't shot with a full-frame 35mm-sized body since I went to all digital in 1999 with a DCS2000. And since I've shot with a crop body (either 1.3x or 1.6x) since then, there are things that one gets used to... and frankly appreciates. If money were no object, or I made my living as a full-time professional photographer, I'd probably get a 1D-X just because... since neither is the case, and since I really, really like the 1DIV, there's just no compelling reason to add one.


Oct 28, 2012 at 04:14 PM
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p.1 #18 · Whats the point of the 1DIV now the 1Dx has F8 focusing


rprouty wrote:
How much is "much"?

I don't shoot over 800 and very seldom over 400 ISO.


My 1DIV couldn't do this. EF 85/1.2L II on 1DX, handheld, f/2, 1/60 sec, ISO 12800. It was realy, really dark. The light bulb in the distant background was probably 200W.

P.S. I have tons more, but I don't like to post people shots...






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Oct 28, 2012 at 04:26 PM
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p.1 #19 · Whats the point of the 1DIV now the 1Dx has F8 focusing


jcolwell wrote:
The 1DX also has much better high ISO than the 1DIV.


Yeah and the 1D IV IQ sucks of course.

It's a matter of degree. 1D X is no doubt better, but the 1D IV is still excellent at least to ISO 6400 and for wildlife that's plenty. Combine that with 26% more reach when FL limited and ~ 50% lower price currently and it's hard to ignore.



Oct 28, 2012 at 04:26 PM
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p.1 #20 · Whats the point of the 1DIV now the 1Dx has F8 focusing


Pixel Perfect wrote:
...the 1D IV is still excellent .


I already said that. In many recent threads.

When I say, "The 1DX also has much better high ISO than the 1DIV", it's with full appreciation of what the 1DIV can do. That's why I currently shoot both a 1DX and a 1DIV. Each has its own 'best'.



Oct 28, 2012 at 04:27 PM
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