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p.2 #1 · 85L vs 135L for Engagement Shoots


ZackOly, take my advice : buy 85 1.8 and 135L and keep the rest of the money.
If you don't trust me,do this test : a 85 1.8 and a 85 1.2L side by side. You'll see that beside the 1.2 aperture ,the difference is pretty small (I'm talking about IQ). So be smart !!!



Nov 01, 2012 at 06:58 PM
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p.2 #2 · 85L vs 135L for Engagement Shoots


I recently sold the 50L, 85L II, 135L and 200L IS because the 70-200L IS did everything well.


Nov 01, 2012 at 07:09 PM
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p.2 #3 · 85L vs 135L for Engagement Shoots


gabimaster wrote:
ZackOly, take my advice : buy 85 1.8 and 135L and keep the rest of the money.
If you don't trust me,do this test : a 85 1.8 and a 85 1.2L side by side. You'll see that beside the 1.2 aperture ,the difference is pretty small (I'm talking about IQ). So be smart !!!


you sound like a lense god and assume everyone take the same approach/perspective as your.
maybe that little differences is what the 85L owners want? and the capability to go beyond 1.8?
btw, that little differences can also refer to 5dIII vs 1Dx, 70-200II vs 200 f2.0 etc....



Nov 01, 2012 at 07:12 PM
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p.2 #4 · 85L vs 135L for Engagement Shoots


Vuilang, onestly,if you own a 85L,can you tell me how often you shoot at 1.2 or 1.4 ? Come on ,man, be serious ! If you are onest, you must admit that even if 85L is 3,5 times more expensive than 85 1.8, but is not 3,5 times better than 85 1.8 (if you can say that,it means that you have never owned 85 1.8 ).I don't have any intentions to argue with you, I'm just saying that is more inteligent move to buy an 85 1.8 + 135L and still keep some money than buyng 85 1.2 L (whicy, by the way it has a slower AF sistem than 85 1.8 ).


Nov 02, 2012 at 09:26 AM
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p.2 #5 · 85L vs 135L for Engagement Shoots


gabimaster wrote:
Vuilang, onestly,if you own a 85L,can you tell me how often you shoot at 1.2 or 1.4 ? Come on ,man, be serious ! If you are onest, you must admit that even if 85L is 3,5 times more expensive than 85 1.8, but is not 3,5 times better than 85 1.8 (if you can say that,it means that you have never owned 85 1.8 ).I don't have any intentions to argue with you, I'm just saying that is more inteligent move to buy an 85 1.8 + 135L and still keep some money than buyng 85 1.2 L (whicy,
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So why do you think he should buy the 135/2 then ? It would also be more intelligent to buy the much cheaper 135/2,8 instead. Or does your logic only apply to 85mm lenses?


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Nov 02, 2012 at 09:32 AM
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p.2 #6 · 85L vs 135L for Engagement Shoots


Psychic1 wrote:
I recently sold the 50L, 85L II, 135L and 200L IS because the 70-200L IS did everything well.


Yes I'm sure the 70-200 can replace a very fast 50mm lens



Nov 02, 2012 at 09:35 AM
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p.2 #7 · 85L vs 135L for Engagement Shoots


because 135 2.8 is no way so close to 135L like 85 1.8 is to 85L.


Nov 02, 2012 at 09:51 AM
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p.2 #8 · 85L vs 135L for Engagement Shoots


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because 135 2.8 is no way so close to 135L like 85 1.8 is to 85L.


It is as close as the 85mm lenses. And it also have features that the L don't have



Nov 02, 2012 at 09:52 AM
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p.2 #9 · 85L vs 135L for Engagement Shoots


the IQ gap between 135 2.8 and 135L is absolutely huge, but you can't say the same thing about the other couple (85L and 85 1.8 ).


Nov 02, 2012 at 09:55 AM
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p.2 #10 · 85L vs 135L for Engagement Shoots


gabimaster wrote:
the IQ gap between 135 2.8 and 135L is absolutely huge, but you can't say the same thing about the other couple (85L and 85 1.8 ).


The 135/2,8 is a sharp lens if you don't like to use "soft-focus" feature. And the IQ between the 85 lenses are as big as the others.

I would buy the 85L and 135L. But if you think they are too expensive. Then it's about the same step down to use 85/1,8 as it is with the 135/2,8 lens. Both the lower priced lenses are rather sharp and good for their price. And both have decent IQ also



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So, you are saying that in fact 85L it is 3 times better than 85 1.8 (since is three times more expensive). I own 85 1.8 for about 3 years and I borrowed 85 L from a friend for a whole week. From the tests I've runed I will never be able to say this. But of course,if you have the money and the pride to own only L lenses,it's not a bad thing. I live in Romania (a country from the ex comunist block) and here clients that can pay more than 600 Euros for "photo-work" at a wedding (this is what do 99% at the time ) are hard to find.So I have to think carefully when I spend my money.I also own 24-105L and 70-200 2.8L (non-IS ),but for me,85L (that by the way is 30% more expensive than in USA ) it makes no sense.
But since I see you live in Sweden, ......



Nov 02, 2012 at 10:14 AM
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p.2 #12 · 85L vs 135L for Engagement Shoots


I have owned all the L primes 200 (not the 1.8 or 2.0 200 prime) and under as well as the 70-200 2.8 IS. Currently the only one I have left is the 85 1.2MKII. That is the one focal lengh that is really fast that works best for me. It cannot be replaced by the 1.8 or 100 2.0 (which I have) The difference between 1.2 and 1.8 or 2.0 is huge when dealing with the 85-100 focal length. When I shoot candids or portraits without light it is my prefered lens. To answer gabimasters question...yes I shoot at 1.2 and 1.4 quite often with that lens. Probably more so than any other apertures. When I am at a shoot it is the one lens that does not get changed off a body.


Nov 02, 2012 at 10:14 AM
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p.2 #13 · 85L vs 135L for Engagement Shoots


Woaaaooww ! I would like to see a portrait at f/1.2 made with a full- frame body.


Nov 02, 2012 at 10:21 AM
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p.2 #14 · 85L vs 135L for Engagement Shoots


gabimaster wrote:
So, you are saying that in fact 85L it is 3 times better than 85 1.8 (since is three times more expensive). I own 85 1.8 for about 3 years and I borrowed 85 L from a friend for a whole week. From the tests I've runed I will never be able to say this. But of course,if you have the money and the pride to own only L lenses,it's not a bad thing. I live in Romania (a country from the ex comunist block) and here clients that can pay more than 600 Euros for "photo-work" at a wedding
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The thread is not about you or Romania. Look where the O.P. is from.

I have owned or own all the lenses we talk about. The 85L is not 3 times better than the 85/1,8.
The 135L is not 3 times better than the 135/2,8 either.

You have to pay a lot to get the extra 10-20% in IQ or lens speed. For some people it's worth it. For others it's not worth it.



Nov 02, 2012 at 10:24 AM
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p.2 #15 · 85L vs 135L for Engagement Shoots


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I have owned all the L primes 200 (not the 1.8 or 2.0 200 prime) and under as well as the 70-200 2.8 IS. Currently the only one I have left is the 85 1.2MKII. That is the one focal lengh that is really fast that works best for me. It cannot be replaced by the 1.8 or 100 2.0 (which I have) The difference between 1.2 and 1.8 or 2.0 is huge when dealing with the 85-100 focal length. When I shoot candids or portraits without light it is my prefered lens. To answer gabimasters question...yes I shoot at
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Nov 02, 2012 at 10:29 AM
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p.2 #16 · 85L vs 135L for Engagement Shoots


You're right here. The idea from the first time it was that with the money that you pay for the 85L you can have both :85mm (using 85 1.8 with very good results) and 135L. It was about being wise if the money are a big problem. But ,of course, if you have the money, go for it ( you think that I wouldn't like to have it in my bag ? ).But I have to save money for the 5D MK3.


Nov 02, 2012 at 10:33 AM
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p.2 #17 · 85L vs 135L for Engagement Shoots


The 85/1,8 wasn't good or fast enough when I was shooting here.






















Nov 02, 2012 at 10:45 AM
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p.2 #18 · 85L vs 135L for Engagement Shoots


Very nice shots !!! If you deal very often with these situations (I mean such a low light environment) it's worth it ! But if is an exception, it doesn't! In my country ,85L it costs 82% from the price of a new 5D MK3 (whicy I intend to buy next spring).So,I better keep my 85 1.8 and buy the camera. But I think it's worth it IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT !Abviosly,you do !


Nov 02, 2012 at 10:56 AM
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p.2 #19 · 85L vs 135L for Engagement Shoots


Wonderful shots Lars, as usual, but you could have taken these with an 85 1.8. Your shutter speeds were 1/125, 1/100 and 1/80th (at f1.6), with slow moving subjects.

I would say that the same shots wide open on an 85 1.8 would look very very similar, even without raising the ISO.



Nov 02, 2012 at 10:57 AM
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dhphoto wrote:
Wonderful shots Lars, as usual, but you could have taken these with an 85 1.8. Your shutter speeds were 1/125, 1/100 and 1/80th (at f1.6), with slow moving subjects.

I would say that the same shots wide open on an 85 1.8 would look very very similar, even without raising the ISO.


No I could not have done it. I can't get good result when shooting people at 1/50 with an 85mm lens on a 1,3x crop body. Especially not when having many people in the same image(like the first one) Try to freeze 9 people at the same time with slow shutter speed.
I could of course raise the ISO. But then they would have much more noise.

And I could not blur the background as much either.



Nov 02, 2012 at 11:01 AM
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