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....are pictured next to 300 f/2.8 IS MkI + 2xTC MkIII in order to appreciate better how small that 600mm combo is compared to the biggest EF lenses. (See the last picture below.) With hoods on, the size difference is even more striking. However, what really matters is the weight difference. Despite a major 600 II weight reduction, the 300 f/2.8 IS MkI + 2xTC MkIII is significantly lighter and less awkward to carry and use.

Obviously, the combo is only f/5.6, and its AF response is sadly lacking, however, its key strengths are:

* relatively small size/weight,
* very good IQ, and
* if you buy it used, the combo is almost 1/3 of the new 600 II price.

How good is IQ of 300 f/2.8 IS MkI + 2xTC MkIII ? Make no mistake about it, it is not on the 600 II level. However, I am very pleased with it. ( See three example images below, all shot at f/5.6) You just can not get 600mm which would be lighter and better at the samer time. Granted, 400 DO + 1.4xTC gives 560mm f/5.6 and it is quite bit lighter than the subject combo, but the IQ doesn't compare. In fact, the subject combo probably has better IQ than 400 DO bare.

Canon have done a real good job with the MkIII TCs, no two ways about it. I have become quite a convert and a believer into the use of these new TCs, and I would like to share my enthusiasm with those who may not have the budget for the big guns, particularly the MkII ones.
No reason to feel handicapped there, I firmly believe 300 f/2.8 IS MkI + 2xTC MkIII is a very good wildlife photography tool.

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Oct 19, 2012 at 08:47 PM
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used prices of the old 300 just sky rocketed I'll be keeping mine.


Oct 19, 2012 at 08:55 PM
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Great photos Peter and interesting to here how well you think the 300/2.8 + 2xTC combination stands up against the 600.


Oct 19, 2012 at 09:01 PM
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If you've used the 100-400IS, how does the focus speed and IQ compare? Thanks in advance.--Eric.


Oct 19, 2012 at 09:20 PM
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gel685 wrote:
If you've used the 100-400IS, how does the focus speed and IQ compare? Thanks in advance.--Eric.


100-400 AF performance is noticeably better than the combo's.
However, the combo has better IQ.




Oct 19, 2012 at 09:22 PM
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I agree Peter,
I tested the 6-pound Canon 300mm f/2.8L IS II + 2x III and because of its great IQ and light weight, I believe it's a great wildlife alternative to the big and heavy super-teles.
The 300 series II does not seem worth the price but when coupled with 2x III extender, it does show its magic.
Fred



Oct 19, 2012 at 10:42 PM
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Fred, I hear you, it is entirely reasonable to expect the 300 f/2.8 IS MkII to perform even better than the MkI, be it alone or in combination with 2xTC MkIII. In fact, I even believe that the AF response of that state-of-the-art combo has been accelerated, regardless of what the Canon marketing folks are saying.


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I think you must need to have the 300II and the 2.0III because when I tried the 2.0II on the 300II it wasn't very good at all. It could not track or lock onto seagulls with any reliability. That was on the 5D3. 1DX may be better.


Oct 19, 2012 at 11:56 PM
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arbitrage wrote:
I think you must need to have the 300II and the 2.0III because when I tried the 2.0II on the 300II it wasn't very good at all. It could not track or lock onto seagulls with any reliability. That was on the 5D3. 1DX may be better.


I used to have the MkII TCs, and whatever lens I mounted those on, the resulting image quality was unsatisfactory. As a result, I had developed a dislike of the TC based combos which the MkIII TCs have largely reversed. The new TCs are more than an inexpensive expedient, they do retain the original lens optical performance to a large extent.

However, some MkII TC copies have also been very good, judging by the pictures I've seen.
Therefore, I think we had a bit of a crap shoot with copy to copy variation of the old TCs.


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Oct 20, 2012 at 12:06 AM
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PetKal wrote:
Fred, I hear you, it is entirely reasonable to expect the 300 f/2.8 IS MkII to perform even better than the MkI, be it alone or in combination with 2xTC MkIII. In fact, I even believe that the AF response of that state-of-the-art combo has been accelerated, regardless of what the Canon marketing folks are saying.


I believe you're correct. While I don't go after birds, I do shoot slalom water-skiing and the 300II and 2XIII seem to track just fine. This combo is new to me and I have more testing to do, but so far I pleased with the focus tracking. Certainly in one shot mode, the focus lock on is very reasonable, not as fast as the steller raw 300 II, but still not a bother for me.

I had a 2XII, but used it infrequently because it seemed to impact the image too much (at least when used with my old 300 f/4.0 IS L or 70-200 IS L ver 1). The 2XIII is quite another level of extender (IMO). Your results with it on the 300 2.8 IS ver 1 make me want to give mine a try on my 70-200 2.8 IS L ver 1. I'll be giving that a try this weekend



Oct 20, 2012 at 12:10 AM
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Great read, Peter. Thanks for posting.

Wonderful images as well! I really love the last wood duck image...esp the fall leaves bokeh background, and the image of the three "white" beauties. (okay "putty" coloured beauties. )

The 300 f/2.8L I.S. USM has been my dream lens for a long time...one day....



Oct 20, 2012 at 12:20 AM
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Roger Ramjet wrote:
I believe you're correct. While I don't go after birds, I do shoot slalom water-skiing and the 300II and 2XIII seem to track just fine. This combo is new to me and I have more testing to do, but so far I pleased with the focus tracking. Certainly in one shot mode, the focus lock on is very reasonable, not as fast as the steller raw 300 II, but still not a bother for me.



That's interesting....I do not have 300 f/2.8 IS MkII, but based on what I've seen with 400 II + 2xTC MkIII, I expected 300 f/2.8 IS MkII + 2xTC MkIII to have similarly responsive AF.
Therefore, I've come to believe that the combos based on f/2.8 lenses have been AF-accelerated with 2xTC MkIII, and that was unexpected and a nice surprise.

However, the f/4 combos, i.e., 500/600 MkII f/4 + 2xTC MkIII, are about as sluggish as they were before, which I have expected.



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Killergoalie wrote:
Great read, Peter. Thanks for posting.

Wonderful images as well! I really love the last wood duck image...esp the fall leaves bokeh background, and the image of the three "white" beauties. (okay "putty" coloured beauties. )

The 300 f/2.8L I.S. USM has been my dream lens for a long time...one day....


Thanx Killergoalie, keep an eye on my for sale ads on B&S......I might be selling my beloved 300 f/2.8 IS MkI sometime next year.



Oct 20, 2012 at 12:34 AM
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PetKal wrote:
Thanx Killergoalie, keep an eye on my for sale ads on B&S......I might be selling my beloved 300 f/2.8 IS MkI sometime next year.


No prob, Peter. Thanks for the heads up on your lens. Hopefully by then, I'll have the finances to make a good offer on it.



Oct 20, 2012 at 12:36 AM





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