Ralph Conway wrote:
I forgott to ask and I can not find any information about it in the press releases.
Have any of the latest rebels (650D, etc.) or the other canon prosumer DSLRs like the 60D had spot focus? Because it seems like that's the AF that is being put into it... Though maybe it could be added with the magic lantern patch, not sure if it's a hardware difference or just enabled/disabled in software...
Corndog, I know about the much wider DR of D800 at low Iso values,but the DR from 5D3 is more than enouth(onestly, if someone consider that the DR from 5D3's sensor it's not enouth for him,he shoul consider another hobby/bussiness activity).
Ralph Conway wrote:
Wrexham is at the border to wales, right?
How do you handle service/support if necessary?
Ralph
Yes North east Wales
the last lens I bought Canon 100L was from a reputable company in Hong Kong and Canon UK will support lenses purchased worldwide
the Camera body has to have a UK reciept but there are UK companies that import from HongKong so you get a UK reciept so are OK
The 7D was about £250 cheaper as a grey import so it is worth the trouble
gabimaster wrote: Corndog, I know about the much wider DR of D800 at low Iso values,but the DR from 5D3 is more than enouth(onestly, if someone consider that the DR from 5D3's sensor it's not enouth for him,he shoul consider another hobby/bussiness activity).
You are serious here right? You've never shot a scene where the dynamic range was so large that either the highlights were blown out or the shadows were a featureless dark blob. That has never happened to you?
For my landscape work, I would say 75% of my images are either taken with a GND filter or multiple exposures in efforts to expand the dynamic range. Would I love a camera that enabled me not to have to resort to filters or multiple exposures...I sure would and I have no inclination of considering a different hobby.
Access wrote:
Have any of the latest rebels (650D, etc.) or the other canon prosumer DSLRs like the 60D had spot focus? Because it seems like that's the AF that is being put into it... Though maybe it could be added with the magic lantern patch, not sure if it's a hardware difference or just enabled/disabled in software...
Metering modes; straight off the Canon USA website:
6D
Metering Modes
Max. aperture TTL metering with 63-zone SPC with the following selectable modes:
1) Evaluative metering
2) Partial metering (center: approx. 8% of viewfinder)
3) Spot metering (center: approx. 3.5% of viewfinder)
4) Center-weighted average metering
60D
Metering Modes
Max. aperture TTL metering with 63-zone SPC with the following selectable modes:
- Evaluative metering (linkable to all AF points)
- Partial metering (approx. 6.5% of viewfinder at center)
- Spot metering (approx. 2.8% of viewfinder at center)
- Center-Weighted average metering
T4i
Metering Modes
Real-time evaluative metering with image sensor
- Evaluative metering
- Partial metering (center: approx. 9% of viewfinder)
- Spot metering (center: approx. 4% of viewfinder)
- Center-weighted average metering
gabimaster wrote: Corndog, I know about the much wider DR of D800 at low Iso values,but the DR from 5D3 is more than enouth(onestly, if someone consider that the DR from 5D3's sensor it's not enouth for him,he shoul consider another hobby/bussiness activity).
That's a crazy statement.
Yeah more than enough for a humungous number of shots so there is no limit to being able to take as many shots that come out well as you want, but it is also not even close for a humungous number of shots so there is a limit that disallows taking many types of shots too though. If some of the latter are the sort that you'd also like to take, who wouldn't want to be able to take them?
StillFingerz wrote:
The 7D, 5D3 and 1DX do list AF Spot, I don't know if older 1D series bodies have it; you can look it up on Canon's website, hope this helps...Jerry http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/slr_cameras
Ah, so presumably not then, 6D does not have it according to that site. It looks similar to a rebel in terms of focus modes.
The line to look for is under "AF Point Selection", ie. for 5d3:
AF Point Selection
...
* 3. Single-point Spot AF (Manual selection)
...
IMO this feature is key for getting the autofocus right with those narrow DOF portraits, focus on the eye or such. No idea if it can be enabled/added in firmware (Magic lantern hack?) or if it is a hardware thing.
chez wrote:
You are serious here right? You've never shot a scene where the dynamic range was so large that either the highlights were blown out or the shadows were a featureless dark blob. That has never happened to you?
For my landscape work, I would say 75% of my images are either taken with a GND filter or multiple exposures in efforts to expand the dynamic range. Would I love a camera that enabled me not to have to resort to filters or multiple exposures...I sure would and I have no inclination of considering a different hobby.
Is the D800 that body though? It does have better DR than the 5D3 I'm not disputing that, and I'll put my hand up and admit I am no landscape photographer. The D800 will be the perfect solution to some shots, but I read of people using filters, multiple exposures, pushing/pulling in PP to get 5 more stops (or more) from a 5D2 image. The extra DR of the D800 is going to get you part way there but it's not going to replace current methods totally. It's certainly a step in the right direction though! Nikon are producing some extremely competitively priced feature rich bodies that are making for a compelling market place for us consumers. Of course this is only if Canon can start to compete at that level of sensor performance... How far away they are from this only they know, I assume the Exmor tech is patented?
Ralph Conway wrote: of course it is. Exmor is a trademark owned by Sony.
Yeah, I mean the "black magic" they use Is it that Sony have hit on the way to get nice clean shadows and increased DR and there just isn't any other way of doing it?
>> Push/pulling a 5DMkII RAW file for 5 more useable stops.
I don't think so.
Show me one.
There must be something VASTLY wrong with my humble post processing skills, 'cause I don't see my 5DMkII
RAW files having that capability.
I would like to know this post processing magic you speak of.
The way I've read, and have actually seen it, you CAN moderately pull from the highlights on a 5DMkII RAW file.
Not push the shadows.
Oh, definitely no wow here.
Just a sad feeling that Canon is way late in the game, and is having a hard time catching up.
I really love my Canon gear, I really want Canon to do good.
jj_glos wrote:
Is the D800 that body though? It does have better DR than the 5D3 I'm not disputing that, and I'll put my hand up and admit I am no landscape photographer. The D800 will be the perfect solution to some shots, but I read of people using filters, multiple exposures, pushing/pulling in PP to get 5 more stops (or more) from a 5D2 image. The extra DR of the D800 is going to get you part way there but it's not going to replace current methods totally. It's certainly a step in the right direction though! Nikon are producing some extremely competitively priced feature rich bodies that are making for a compelling market place for us consumers. Of course this is only if Canon can start to compete at that level of sensor performance... How far away they are from this only they know, I assume the Exmor tech is patented?...Show more →
Read it again, that's not what I said at all. Talk about selective quoting, not to mention you even capatilised it to make it look like a single sentence!
buggz2k wrote:
>> Push/pulling a 5DMkII RAW file for 5 more useable stops.
I don't think so.
Show me one.
There must be something VASTLY wrong with my humble post processing skills, 'cause I don't see my 5DMkII
RAW files having that capability.
I would like to know this post processing magic you speak of.
The way I've read, and have actually seen it, you CAN moderately pull from the highlights on a 5DMkII RAW file.
Not push the shadows.
Oh, definitely no wow here.
Just a sad feeling that Canon is way late in the game, and is having a hard time catching up.
I really love my Canon gear, I really want Canon to do good.
Shrug, can't read all of this, just wanting Canon, in some way, some fashion, to know, not everyone is pleased.
I now return you to your regularly scheduled fan boy channel...
buggz2k wrote:
Shrug, can't read all of this, just wanting Canon, in some way, some fashion, to know, not everyone is pleased.
I now return you to your regularly scheduled fan boy channel...
I can only speak for myself. But the reason I feel no "wow" over a 6D is because I basically have already been using a camera (5DII) for nearly four years now that for my purposes is probably just as good. (And if I needed to buy a replacement for it, I would probably just buy another 5DII.)
buggz2k wrote:
Just a sad feeling that Canon is way late in the game, and is having a hard time catching up.
I really love my Canon gear, I really want Canon to do good.
They're not 'late to the game', they were an early winner who became complacent. If you go back to the 10D, Digital Rebel, 20D days, versus Nikon's D70, Canon was the undisputed leader in sensors.
With Canon, I can push the shadows pretty far in post, starting from a raw of course. 1-2 stops is common, easily achieveable; At some point between 2-4 stops you really start needing some noise reduction filters or the noise is pretty noticeable. I use the Topaz filters (anti-banding for 5d2) and that does the best at getting rid of noise without harming detail that much. Anything beyond 4 stops is pretty much a mess, too much lost detail.
The Sony sensors are something else, I know with the OM-D I can really push the shadows, at lower ISOs it's better than the 5d2 or 5d3 by at least a stop, typically two. You just have to be aware, and realistic, I try to use bracketing whenever possible, but for environmental portraits and the like, DR can sometimes be a real limit of what shot is possible versus not. HTP helps a little (maybe half a stop) but it also limits the ISO range and means more noise to begin with.
DIRK JASPER(a Nikon guy) says :
We expect to get some upgraders coming to the D600 from the D300/S, though, also D80 and D90 users, we have received a lot of positive comments from them. They are considering entering the full-frame system with the D600, because they think it's good value for money, it's something they've been waiting for, because the D700 was out of reach when they bought their cameras. The D600 can process information twenty times faster than the D700. It has double the pixel count, the color range and the dynamic range is better…
The AF system is taken from the D7000 - have you made any changes?
Yes it's the same module, but there have been refinements, especially in terms of the sensitivity. With this camera you can focus at a combined aperture of F8, which isn't possible with the D7000.
Is it that Sony have hit on the way to get nice clean shadows and increased DR and there just isn't any other way of doing it?