AF (yes, really). The price, of course. And weight/size is another point. I was dreaming about 1 series since I started to shoot Canon bodies. The last seven days I got the chance to "play" with one (1Ds MK III) ten hours a day. It is not made for me (my hands). The first impression is great. After an hour it feels very heavy. I do not see myself doing a wedding docu walking around 8-10 hours a whole day with a "1". I would always prefere a smaller body with additional grip. A "Rebell" is the opposite: To small. xxD bodies offer a comfortable size for me. But after using FF I do not see a chance to go back to crop sensors. I do not really use my 40D. Its just a backup if something might happen to my 5D II while I have to shoot.
The 6D feels like Nikons D600 like a FF camera in a xxD sized/weight body. Feels like the perfect size to me.
Ralph Conway wrote:
Ah, I see northlight is telling it will be 1799! Hell! This is € 250 ($ 320) more than our offer here (tax included) in germany. This feels a lot!
Ralph
we always pay over the odds here
I now buy my gear as grey imports and saved a lot when I got my last camera a 7D
A comparable or even better but cheaper Nikon means little to many of us who are laden with Canon's excellent glass, and not one AF Nikon lens. Saving a coupla hundred on a body only to spend a coupla thousand on glass equal (if available at all) to owned Canon lenses doesn't seem like a great bargain.
I know many use both systems...but it's a Canon forum and many don't. It seems specious at least to maintain that Nikon prices bodies more competitively and not account for lenses.
I can get WOW from just about every Canon body I've had
Ralph Conway wrote:
Best AF of all is great. But if I can not use it, it is needless. "Mediocre" (crippled) AF - only 11 AF points instead of 50 or 61 might be great for sportts or wildlife. But it is needless for portrait or events if it does not support lowest light capabilities.
Does it do 'spot focus mode' for low depth-of-field type portraiture, etc.?
That's what I missed with the 5d2. 7D had it, 5d2 or the rebels I used before it didn't.
David Baldwin wrote:
You did not already got an UK price announced?
yes its £1800
The D600 is already cheaper than this.
The D600 price was only dropped from £1955 in response to the 6D launch. I see that Amazon have now put their price back up from the £1600 they dropped it to. They now have it a £1790 but still don't list the 6D. Other places have the 6D on pre-order at £1799. Nikon are hell bent on beating Canon on price\features so interesting times ahead!
Access wrote:
Does it do 'spot focus mode' for low depth-of-field type portraiture, etc.?
That's what I missed with the 5d2. 7D had it, 5d2 or the rebels I used before it didn't.
I forgott to ask and I can not find any information about it in the press releases.
jj_glos wrote:
The D600 price was only dropped from £1955 in response to the 6D launch. I see that Amazon have now put their price back up from the £1600 they dropped it to. They now have it a £1790 but still don't list the 6D. Other places have the 6D on pre-order at £1799. Nikon are hell bent on beating Canon on price\features so interesting times ahead!
Same here. After 6Ds announcment the D600 price immediatelly dropped about € 150 from anouncement. It was/is sold for about € 1999 in regular shops as soon they could deliver (already while photokina stil was running).
at 2100$ for such low specs at 6D, you won't see too many "wow" !!! At 1600-1700 $ maximum (this is a fair price for 6D) we could talk about "wow" factor. I am a Canon boy but if between 5D MK3 and D800 ,I would choose anytime the 5D3, talking about the other "couple" (6D and D600),there is no doubt,D600 is the winner !!!
gabimaster wrote:
but if between 5D MK3 and D800 ,I would choose anytime the 5D3, talking about the other "couple" (6D and D600),there is no doubt,D600 is the winner !!!
Just curious, have you seen Fred's 5D3/D800 comparison thread?
gabimaster wrote:
at 2100$ for such low specs at 6D, you won't see too many "wow" !!! At 1600-1700 $ maximum (this is a fair price for 6D) we could talk about "wow" factor.
+1
I'm sure the "new" AF should perform better even if the outer points are not cross-type and I'm sure 6D should be a fun camera to use. But, when the competitor releases a camera with much more features at the same price point (more cross-type, 100% viewfinder coverage, built-in flash and more) and even when Canon's own lower-end cameras like 60D and T4i have more cross-type points, one should start questioning the company's agenda.
I wished 6D had an articulating screen, but I think EOS Remote should work fine. But I kinda wish 6D had a little bit better AF, built-in flash and 100% viewfinder coverage. That would have been a perfect backup for my 5D3.
Still, 6D could find the way in my bag in the future when it starts to approach $1,600-$1,700.
To each their own, however I can understand all sides of the argument. The extreme bashing and exaggerated opinions and assumptions that I've been reading all over the place are pretty laughable though...
Ralph, thanks for your review. It's giving me more hope that I may choose the 6D over the 5D3 to save me some extra cash towards my lens budget.
David Baldwin wrote:
Price is everything with this camera.
At £1800 is meh
At £1300 its great
Thats my opinion too. Priced just above the 7D it would have a lot of "Wow", priced equivalent to the D600 (and thus at 70% higher than a 7D) its not got a lot of "Wow" at all. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with this camera, its just £400 overpriced.
The big difference in the 5DMKII and 6D for me is the 1/8000 vs 1/4000 shutter speed. I shoot during the day at F1.2 for senior shoots and 1/4000 just wouldn't cut it. Won't be giving up the MKII for a 6D.
€ 2000 € would be nice. 1700 would be great!