p.16 #1 · 20MP Canon 6D full frame DSLR announced!
Ralph Conway wrote:
I would not say the AF covers a wider area than competing products. The Image shown here and copied from the Canon website is a cutout. The real positions of the AF points are shown here on the third page (look for "metering area in viewfinder"):
True. They would have to make the submirror larger to cover bigger area. That's quite impossible unless they redesign the mirrorbox heavily. I think 6D will have the array sized similarly to 5D/5D2. Nothing special there.
p.16 #2 · 20MP Canon 6D full frame DSLR announced!
krickett wrote:
Actually 4 sounds like "death" in Chinese, and 14 sounds like "certain death." That's why you won't find any buildings with the 14th floor listed in Hong Kong.
I took unlucky from wiki, thank you for the correction, death is a bit more serious
p.16 #3 · 20MP Canon 6D full frame DSLR announced!
From Canon's page:
AF Points
11 points
Center: cross-type at f/5.6; vertical line-sensitive at f/2.8.
Upper and lower AF points: vertical line-sensitive AF at f/5.6.
Other AF points: Horizontal line-sensitive AF at f/5.6.
AF Working Range
Center AF Point: EV -3 to 18 (at 73°F/23°C, ISO 100)
Other AF points: EV +0.5 to 18 (at 73°F/23°C, ISO 100)
p.16 #4 · 20MP Canon 6D full frame DSLR announced!
MintMar wrote:
True. They would have to make the submirror larger to cover bigger area. That's quite impossible unless they redesign the mirrorbox heavily. I think 6D will have the array sized similarly to 5D/5D2. Nothing special there.
Thanks for these links as I came on here looking if anyone had found a pic of the layout. The pic under the AF section is sure misleading because I first saw that and thought it was really well spread out. Then seeing the real spread on the metering section easily shows the exact same spread as a 5D2. Will be interesting to compare it to the D600 as the complaint over in that world is the 39points are all really crammed into the centre of the frame.
6D from AF section...looks okay as it looks like it covers a large area
Ahhh the truth...6D showing the true spread on the viewfinder
p.16 #6 · 20MP Canon 6D full frame DSLR announced!
sbv20 wrote:
I see this as a good candidate to replace my 5D (original) once the price is closer to 1800. The 5D3 is really out of my budget, and the subject matter that I shoot doesn't require high FPS, world-class AF, and whatever else the 5D3 is offering. I just want a big sensor with some modern features, good high-ISO, etc. This fits the bill better than the other Canon options (5D3 is more than I need, 5D2 is old-tech), and switching to Nikon wouldn't be worth the cost of replacing lenses.
I for one am excited. This is a good option for serious amateurs with finite camera budgets....Show more →
Yes it will be a great upgrade over a 5Dc, but what it is not is a great upgrade over the 5D II, but then again it's a 6D, so does sit lower in the food chain. It's a shame it has a feel of the 300D, cost cutting in many areas to hit a price point, not as bad of course. It a weird mismatch of features and deletions, but it is clearly a shot at the connected world (which is good) but offers zero in innovation IMO. At least the 5D III offers bleeding edge AF if nothing else.
p.16 #8 · 20MP Canon 6D full frame DSLR announced!
Well if the camera is disappointing, I may have to pick one up from the Canon refurb store using a loyalty discount for what, $1300? Wonder if the 6D will drive down the used 5DII prices? Right now they are in the $1500-$1600 range.
p.16 #9 · 20MP Canon 6D full frame DSLR announced!
akin_t wrote:
Lord have mercy ... Just 1 cross type sensor?
Wtf?
Yeah but it can focus down to -3 EV. It's one humungus sensor that covers 50% of the frame, hence the great light gathering ability
Seriously they probably argued that 90% of people just use the centre point anyway and made it very good. It will be interesting to see if it can track worth a crap. You could however drive a truck between the AF points; seriously 11 pt AF on FF in 2012 is piss poor IMO. Even the 7D AF coverage would have been poor on FF.
p.16 #12 · 20MP Canon 6D full frame DSLR announced!
kodakeos wrote:
Bug me that the wifi/gps was not included in the 5DIII and is on this.. i have to have that giant lump on the top of my camera and keep AA's handy while they get it all built in.
this is obviously squarely targeted at the 'pro-consumer' who doesnt know Why they need a FF just that its what all their photo friends have...
Even if the 5D III had one of the two it would have been nice. For me GPS is much more useful than wifi on this sort of camera, but others would no doubt prefer wifi. I see though it's the lame 802.1b and not g on the 6D
p.16 #15 · 20MP Canon 6D full frame DSLR announced!
OntheRez wrote:
Michael, you could very well be right though I seem to remember about 4(?) years ago a lot of people raging over the specs for the 5DII. Many think it turned out to be a useful cam.
Understand, I'm not holding my breath here, but given that both the sensor and AF are apparently new products, there is some small chance that something nice could happen - and no I won't bet anything on it.
I do absolutely agree with the general consensus that $2100 is an absurd opening price.
Robert
That is the point, no D600 and a touch lower price and it's all good. D600 and a much lower price and it's all good. But the D600 exists and the price is $2100 thus all the....
p.16 #16 · 20MP Canon 6D full frame DSLR announced!
M Lucca wrote:
Well the 11-pt AF is made for the FF sensor then atleast Canon did something right. Plus it is sensitive to -3EV. Better than planting the AF system from a cropped cam. <ahem> d600 <ahem>
But single x-type point is still nonsense. Unless somehow the outer points are made more sensitive. The 5dc/2's outer AF points are pretty unreliable in AI Servo mode.
I wonder how it will do under very bright conditions (I found that the 40D/50D actually did AI Servo worse than the 20D when the sun was glaring on soccer players around noon or early afternoon during times of year sun was high in the sky, almost like it was getting blinded, some of their older sensors seemed to do much worse for night or late evening games but better for times when sun was really bright). Then again it's not their main action cam anyway.
p.16 #17 · 20MP Canon 6D full frame DSLR announced!
Fred Miranda wrote:
There are some nice new features on the new compact entry level full frame, such as AF sensitivity to -3ev, built-in GPS and WI-FI, etc... but with it being so similar to the 60D, why remove the articulated LCD? Keeping it could be a reason for 5D2 landscape shooters to upgrade...
Canon claims (according to dpreview) the loss of articulating screen was for durability reasons. Clearly Canon sees this a a point of weakness on higher end cameras and won't offer it.
p.16 #18 · 20MP Canon 6D full frame DSLR announced!
PhilDrinkwater wrote:
But the 6d just seems like it was put together quick. Maybe that's it - maybe they heard Nikon was producing something and needed to respond... But I doubt that since you can't make a new product that quick, surely??
That's a good point, esp considering the 6D wont be available for sale until December, which seems like a very long lead time for a consumer-class body.
p.16 #19 · 20MP Canon 6D full frame DSLR announced!
PhilDrinkwater wrote:
I guess we all see things differently.
I believe the 5d3 (I know I go on about it) is an amazing camera. Was it $500 too expensive at the start? Yes I think it was compared with the competition *based on the spec sheet*. However, having had and used the camera for 4 months and taken 20k frames on it, my view was probably wrong. It's so much closer to a 1 series now that the increase was justified. It should have been called a 4d not a 5d. That was their mistake. It isn't a 5d really...
In the same breath the amazing sensor d800 gets lots of disappointment, especially from handling. One of my friends who has both takes the 5d3 to weddings every time.
I dunno... I sort of feel the 5d3 was worth the money now. I would obviously have preferred to pay less but I dont feel ripped off.
I do wonder how many of the people who say it isnt worth it have actually used one in anger. It really won me over. ...Show more →
That is my view too ... almost the same experience here. For weddings, I prefer the 5d3 to anything else. It is a smaller, less-expensive version of the 1D series, with almost no compromise. It offers very near 1D series performance without the 1D series price, size or weight. In that sense, it is fairly priced. Love the quiet shutter setting and many other features.
Perhaps they should have named it the 3D to indicate a new product line and a higher level of performance, closer to the 1D. But they named it the 5D3 and in the end it doesn't matter too much what they call it. They could have called it the EOS Happy Cam and it would still be the same thing.
p.16 #20 · 20MP Canon 6D full frame DSLR announced!
What makes this "entry level"? It sports a fair amount of, until recently, professional range features. High iso sensetivity, same sensor as 5d3, same digic 5+ processor, no dial SD/CF, not a full view finder, but those are recent additions to the FF/Pro level of DSLR. Can someone shed some light as to why its labeled "Entry Level"?
Wonder if the 6D will drive down the used 5DII prices? Right now they are in the $1500-$1600 range.