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p.99 #1 · p.99 #1 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


Ok, I have to join the OT-ed-ness here for a moment too...

carstenw wrote:
Same here, I have no wish for a system in which people can opt out of paying for the general good.


+1. I like to believe that in Canada you'd find general but not universal agreement with this sentiment. Decades ago a universal medical care system was legislated at the federal level; provinces are required to deliver medical services.

Our universal health care system costs a bundle but is regularly referenced by Canadians as an important, unifying, institution. Some say it defines us but I think it is more the idea of the country pulling together to support one another, despite the vast distance we are spread across (this place is just huge), that we identify with and the health care system / support for its continued existence is merely the concrete result of that common ideal.

Just for comparison, in my province a single person pays $66.50 monthly; a family of three or more pays $133 monthly. Most employees have their plan costs covered by employers (who will likely also cover dental, most do) although part time / entry level positions may not have plan coverage. Coverage is for comprehensive (but not total) medical care with exclusions like optometry and dental. Give birth, covered. Break a leg, have a heart transplant, covered. Want a physio appointment or massage, not covered but may be covered by private plans. Those who can't afford the premiums can apply for subsidies, and this is a good thing.

We have value added taxes on goods and services. Some provinces have no provincial tax but are still subject to the federal VAT. I don't feel over taxed; the country is in relatively good shape fiscally. It's not perfect, we have plenty of big issues to address, but we seem to be making progress.

Prices for products tend to be the same as in the U.S. or marginally higher. This is probably largely because the U.S. market is 10X larger than ours more than anything else, and, to some degree, because importers and retailers here can get away with it.



Dec 18, 2012 at 05:43 AM
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p.99 #2 · p.99 #2 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


Photon-hunter wrote:
(SOCIALIST ALERT is ringing full blast...)


Definitely! Keep in mind that the meaning of socialist in most countries has to do with exactly such things as general health care, unemployment insurance, and so on, whereas in the United States, socialist appears to mean money-wasting wealth-destroying communists tearing at the very fabric of what it means to be American and free



Dec 18, 2012 at 06:37 AM
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p.99 #3 · p.99 #3 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


snowboarder wrote:
I think Europeans choose not to notice that. Otherwise it would be a revolution...
Or maybe they simply don't know that. They notice the difference in camera prices,
but they never purchase a car in the US...
I highly recommend to read the letter exchange between Depardieu and the French prime minister.
Highly entertaining. Lats two days or so - google the news...


Well, I never been to a hospital, never hope to, but really don't care to pay. And most people I know here think about it the same. As long as its a relative affordable price to pay.

The situation in France is a bit different and can't really be compared to the rest of the EU. After the installation of the new government they introduced a extreme high tax for the rich. I think about 75% of their income. I also find that out of proportion. But a more fair system like in the other EU country's works perfect for me.

The cars were not a real good example I think since those price differences are mainly because of taxes. When U buy in the US U still have to pay taxes when importing it.

Looking at those price differences I came across some extremes. For car lovers the US is really great.

911 carrera
Denmark: 330.000 dollar
Netherlands: 145.000 dollar
Germany: 115.000 dollar
Belgium: 118.000 dollar
UK: 115.000 dollar

Australia: 265.000 dollar
Canada: 94.000 dollar
USA: 82.000 dollar

:S



Dec 18, 2012 at 06:58 AM
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p.99 #4 · p.99 #4 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


I think the Europe vs. US view is a tad black and white.

It's not that the intetion of the scandinavian system for instance isn't good, it is for the most part. It's just that in reality, in practical terms, it doesn't really work that well. At all. IMO. If I can pay the hospital bill for a fellow Norwegian who cannot aford it, that's fine by me. No worries. But - most kind of taxes increase and increase and increase, and still very few get the feeling - at all - that they recieve anything better back. Not services, not infrastructure, no nothing. At all. In fact, the opposite. Free public health care? Well... People die in the way too long hospital lines. People die because hospitals mess totally up. No one is held resposible. Patients' files are lost between doctors and hospitals because they are sent on 1980's floppy disks... Results are fatal. Etc. Etc. Etc. A guy was ready for heart surgery, put into sleep, but was awakened because two hospitals argued about who should perform the surgery. He died a few days later. The new Health Minister (former Foreign Minister...) preaches about the glory and awesomeness of Norwegian public healthcare -- while people die because of waiting lines and mistakes made - because of a total mess. And at the same time he himself use private health care. He sees no problem with this, he said. Etc. Etc. Etc. There are a million examples of this Norwegian elite's "do as I say, not as I do." The last 8 years, public sector has grown with a ridiculous amount. Has productivity or efficiency increased as well? Absolutely not! Norwegians are paying for a steadily increasing public sector's inefficiency and waste of money and resources. Many, many, many people are sick of this. They don't have a problem paying if they feel they get something better back - but they don't.

The oil has made Norway a very wealthy country. But it has also made it inefficient and with a way too large public sector which is for the most part a money drain. In public sector, no one is held responsible. The worst that could happen to a public employee a bit up in the system that does a terrible job, is change of position and a salary increase. No one is held responsible for anything. It's a blame game for a few weeks, then it is put at rest. Add that Norwegians are people who mostly avoids conflict and after some initial dissatisfaction accepts almost whatever is being introduced, being laws or taxes or etc., then you get a "pressure cooker".

There are many good things about the social democracy, but in reality, there are also A LOT of complete madness that goes with it - at least in Norway.

IMO.



Dec 18, 2012 at 07:52 AM
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p.99 #5 · p.99 #5 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


I still can afford the RX1 if I want to. At the Norwegian price.

Any news on when you guys will get replacement cameras?



Dec 18, 2012 at 08:14 AM
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p.99 #6 · p.99 #6 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


And I can afford a Porsche 911, but it is still madness IMO.


Dec 18, 2012 at 08:29 AM
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p.99 #7 · p.99 #7 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=7323



Dec 18, 2012 at 08:32 AM
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p.99 #8 · p.99 #8 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


Use Google Translate on this article. French actor Depardieu leaves France because of 75% tax.

http://touch.vg.no/article.php?artid=10048689



Dec 18, 2012 at 09:37 AM
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p.99 #9 · p.99 #9 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


I guess most photographers have left this thread because of 75% posts that don't help us find out how the RX1 works


Dec 18, 2012 at 10:08 AM
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p.99 #10 · p.99 #10 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


I think there's a 75 % chance you are correct.


Dec 18, 2012 at 10:12 AM
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p.99 #11 · p.99 #11 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


alundeb wrote:
Any news on when you guys will get replacement cameras?


Hopefully today!



Dec 18, 2012 at 10:16 AM
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p.99 #12 · p.99 #12 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


Getting my EVF today!


Dec 18, 2012 at 11:48 AM
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p.99 #13 · p.99 #13 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


Just got the new RX1 and it is tack sharp from corner to corner wide open! Wohoo!!!


Dec 18, 2012 at 12:25 PM
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p.99 #14 · p.99 #14 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


Great news! Go shoot some plain snow scenes now Martin!


Dec 18, 2012 at 12:29 PM
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p.99 #15 · p.99 #15 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


That's great Makten! Congrats! To Wayne too, let us know what you think when you have tried the EVF.


Dec 18, 2012 at 12:38 PM
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p.99 #16 · p.99 #16 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


Makten wrote:
Just got the new RX1 and it is tack sharp from corner to corner wide open! Wohoo!!!


What a relief!

You have provided an example of what we should not expect / accept, but hopefully very few will need it for comparison.



Dec 18, 2012 at 12:47 PM
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p.99 #17 · p.99 #17 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


Makten wrote:
Just got the new RX1 and it is tack sharp from corner to corner wide open! Wohoo!!!


Congrats!! Enjoy...



Dec 18, 2012 at 12:57 PM
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p.99 #18 · p.99 #18 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


Makten wrote:
Just got the new RX1 and it is tack sharp from corner to corner wide open! Wohoo!!!


Awesome, congrats. Bet that's a nice feeling. No more hassle.



Dec 18, 2012 at 01:12 PM
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p.99 #19 · p.99 #19 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


Great Makten. Now let's see those perfect photos


Dec 18, 2012 at 02:38 PM
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p.99 #20 · p.99 #20 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


Makten wrote:
Just got the new RX1 and it is tack sharp from corner to corner wide open! Wohoo!!!


Excellent! I look forward to seeing new results!



Dec 18, 2012 at 06:04 PM
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