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p.60 #1 · p.60 #1 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)


A while back off one of the Japanese product launch documents I found prices for the OVF and EVF in Yen; using the exchange rate at the time it looked like the OVF could in at $620-$640 which led me to believe it might be priced at $599 - already a hefty premium over the existing Zeiss OVF's in other focal lengths.

Similarly the EVF looked like it could be priced at $499 USD, a price more in keeping with the current EVF for the NEX-5N etc. Both prices are too high relative to other almost identical products, but the final pricing in the US for the accessories has not been set, so perhaps they'll come in at more agreeable costs to RX1 owners. That might even be a strategy Sony would employ after so much on-line angst (mostly elsewhere) over the camera price /and/ accessories.

Whether the price estimates I cooked up are accurate or not, one thing that is certain is the Zeiss optical finder was priced higher than the EVF.

As for the virtual 50 millimetre lens what I'm really looking are framing lines more than anything, but I doubt they'd implement the feature that way. Granted the "smart teleconverter" feature is probably more useful to Sony as a marketing device then it is to photographers.

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Oct 09, 2012 at 09:39 PM
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p.60 #2 · p.60 #2 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)


Engadget is apparently at the Sony media event and had their time with the camera today. Link incliudes stills and some video:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/09/sony-cyber-shot-rx1-sample-images-video/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMJ9IrCVKic
Choppy video... no exaggeration.

http://www.engadget.com/photos/sony-cyber-shot-rx1-sample-photos
The stills are worth looking at though.

Dave at Imaging-Resource mentioned there are only 4 RX1's available and more than 20 journalists / reviewers / web personalities. Time with the camera is at a premium.



Oct 10, 2012 at 02:01 AM
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p.60 #3 · p.60 #3 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)


GXR/M native APS-C resolution: 4288 x 2848 (12.3MP, 3:2)
Sony RX1 in "APS-C" crop mode: 3936 x 2624 (10.3 MP, 3:2, 50mm EFOV)
Sony RX1 native resolution: 6000x4000 (24.3 MP, 3:2, 35mm)

What's 2MP between friends, especially when they are shiny happy pixels (apologies to R.E.M.)?



Oct 10, 2012 at 03:08 AM
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p.60 #4 · p.60 #4 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)


Phoblographer weighs in:

Though I was a bit offput by the RX1 when I tested the pre-production model, Iíve spent an entire day shooting with it and Iím convinced that with the electronic viewfinder attached, this camera will best nearly anything out there for street photography. The ergonomics are great, the manual focusing is awesome when combined with peaking, the image quality is top notch, and it is pretty darn small.

Something else a Sony rep and I discovered. The RX1 has wireless flash control built in: however, the pop-up flash doesnít actually act like a master. It is only there for attached Sony
...Show more

http://www.thephoblographer.com/2012/10/10/quick-unscientific-high-iso-comparison-canon-5d-mk-ii-sony-a99-and-sony-rx-1/

At the link above I think you'll find an exclusive first - an actual high ISO comparison between the RX1 and two other cameras, importantly, the A99, and the Canon 5D Mk II. The latter two are represented by raw images while the RX1 has only JPEG representations available at present.



Oct 10, 2012 at 05:58 AM
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p.60 #5 · p.60 #5 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)


More photos from the Sony SF event

http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2012/10/10/live-from-the-sony-event-more-samples-from-rx1-nex-6-and-a99




Oct 10, 2012 at 02:35 PM
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p.60 #6 · p.60 #6 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)


Last three images in this IR gallery show the results of the "smart teleconverter" function, very much as expected from an in-camera crop. Full, 1.4X, 2X:

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/sony-rx1/sony-rx1GALLERY.HTM

jonrock: Huff noted in this morning's posting that the EVF is better than that in the NEX-7. Interesting. He also commented on the WhiteMagic display technology Sony used for the rear LCD - seems to work and enable use in bright outdoor conditions.



Oct 10, 2012 at 05:21 PM
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p.60 #7 · p.60 #7 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)


I'm really liking what I'm seeing. The lens seems to be great, with nice bokeh.


Oct 10, 2012 at 06:38 PM
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p.60 #8 · p.60 #8 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)


michaelwatkins wrote:
jonrock: Huff noted in this morning's posting that the EVF is better than that in the NEX-7. Interesting. He also commented on the WhiteMagic display technology Sony used for the rear LCD - seems to work and enable use in bright outdoor conditions.


I noticed that too, that would be a great news.
I don't even look at those samples, any preproduction JPEG only pics, either from Sony or Zeiss s@cked big time.
Give me the camera and let me shoot RAW, that will tell me how good or bad it really is...
I kind of feel it's really really great... One thing - I hope they didn't let the base ISO quality go down
just to get some great high ISO.



Oct 10, 2012 at 06:42 PM
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p.60 #9 · p.60 #9 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)


snowboarder wrote:
I noticed that too, that would be a great news.
I don't even look at those samples, any preproduction JPEG only pics, either from Sony or Zeiss s@cked big time.
Give me the camera and let me shoot RAW, that will tell me how good or bad it really is...


yeah, they were right by me in SF too. don't know why they didn't ask me if i wanted to test it out...



Oct 10, 2012 at 06:58 PM
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p.60 #10 · p.60 #10 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)


Actually they did ask me, but I said -'no interchangeable lens ?. Not interested, thanks !'
( and then I awoke )



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p.60 #11 · p.60 #11 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)


Damn, I looked at some of those pics Steve posted... Holly Sh#t, this is quite amazing.
Check out this one at ISO 12800:








Oct 10, 2012 at 09:52 PM
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p.60 #12 · p.60 #12 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)


That's very nice looking noise!

The camera on paper offers 3 more stops of sensitivity than what I currently use most, but from the looks of things, there's at least 3 if not 4 or 5 stops of more usable sensitivity, subject permitting. The extra latitude with relatively low and nice looking noise would be very nice.



Oct 10, 2012 at 10:03 PM
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p.60 #13 · p.60 #13 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)


Sony's pre-release images showed some beautiful noise, if I may say so - truly aesthetic, lol, so it does not interfere at all with imaging and may even assist. The new sensor may be a killer app.


Oct 11, 2012 at 04:16 AM
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p.60 #14 · p.60 #14 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)


michaelwatkins wrote:
GXR/M native APS-C resolution: 4288 x 2848 (12.3MP, 3:2)
Sony RX1 in "APS-C" crop mode: 3936 x 2624 (10.3 MP, 3:2, 50mm EFOV)
Sony RX1 native resolution: 6000x4000 (24.3 MP, 3:2, 35mm)

What's 2MP between friends, especially when they are shiny happy pixels (apologies to R.E.M.)?


No need to apologize. They are very happy (pun intended of course... ) with all sorts of variations.


Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Oct 11, 2012 at 12:00 PM
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p.60 #15 · p.60 #15 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)


michaelwatkins wrote:
http://www.engadget.com/photos/sony-cyber-shot-rx1-sample-photos
The stills are worth looking at though.


Note the barrel distortion in the 2nd image. I would estimate this at about 2%, which isn't much worse than the Canon f/1.4. So we see, in particular, that this is not a design with huge barrel distortion that has to be corrected during the raw conversion, and the linear DNG that apparently triggers in Adobe workflows.

Steve Huff also notes in his blog entry that the camera defaults to distortion correction OFF but it can be set to ON. This is exactly how I would want it, and how I use my Canon f/1.4 too.



Oct 11, 2012 at 01:06 PM
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p.60 #16 · p.60 #16 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)


Yakim, thanks for the R.E.M. link, that put a smile on my face.

Here's another link from Engadget showing a comparison shot pitting the A99 to the RX1 for the same subject.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/11/sony-alpha-a99-dslr-sample-shots/




Oct 11, 2012 at 11:39 PM
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p.60 #17 · p.60 #17 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)


Some thoughts on the RX1 published at The Verge:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/11/3485656/sony-rx1-a99-nex-6-hands-on-sample-pictures



Oct 12, 2012 at 01:09 AM
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p.60 #18 · p.60 #18 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)


Chambers is at it again:
http://diglloyd.com/blog/2012/20121011_5-SonyRX1-lens.html

Won't bother linking his rant against the product press release.

Seems Lloyd feels as many do that the camera is going to be something special. He is "informed".



Oct 12, 2012 at 02:21 AM
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p.60 #19 · p.60 #19 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)


Looks amazing too bad it's WAY too expensive...if it was less expensive I would consider it.


Oct 12, 2012 at 04:43 AM
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p.60 #20 · p.60 #20 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)


'it's WAY too expensive'. In time it won't be.

Seeing Huff's night shots, the huge DR (meaning great highlight tone gradation and roll-off) and focus fade character and the raw power of the new sensor at any ISO mans this is an instant classic. Esp for street.



Oct 12, 2012 at 06:47 AM
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