p.55 #2 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
alundeb wrote:
Just to clarify, 35-40 mm is my preferred focal length, and I discuss how 50-ish would work out just a a secondary thought for my own case.
I need reasons not to get this camera, but they are hard to find cost aside.
Ah, gotcha. If this camera had my preferred focal length, then the LCD/EVF situation might be the only thing to hold me back. I'd probably still buy one, though.
p.55 #3 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
douglasf13 wrote:
Ah, gotcha. If this camera had my preferred focal length, then the LCD/EVF situation might be the only thing to hold me back. I'd probably still buy one, though.
this is where my thinking is right now as i love the 35mm focal length.
p.55 #4 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
I'm all in for compromises, but a FF with fixed lens does not do it in comparison to a smaller say NEX 5N with a range of e.g. Contax G lenses. Tiny system cam compared to a reasonable tiny fixed camera. I'd definetly do better with the system than the fixed thing.
But I have to say that I am super happy that Sony introduced this one. And two more very different FF beasts. It gives a very bright future and put the pressure on the biggies.
p.55 #5 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
denoir wrote:
The problem with the RX1 is the same as with the Leica X1/X2 - it's simply not small enough. It won't fit in the pocket of your trousers, which means that to carry it comfortably in summer time, you'll have to carry a bag. And in that case you might as well bring a somewhat larger system such as the Leica M.
gotta disagree. i use a system camera now, but mostly carry just one or two lenses, and since i don't use a bag a lot of time the size advantage is real (what is this summer of which you speak?) while the advantages of system camera only come into play when you consider that it is usually a different lens each day.
p.55 #6 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
Knowing Sony's design frenzy approach to camera development, they may wish to gauge reactions to the VF issues and act accordingly, especially if this one spawns an ILC line. Or make more Fixed Lensers, my preference.
The 35mm and 40mm FLs were very popular at one stage with some photographers, there were many 35mm cameras very similar to this Sony one in many respects. They received the usual sneer treatment from the Leica M fetishists - which even today can seem rather a reflex action at times - but for the non-well heeled, some were interesting and some very good, if primitive and built to a modest price point.
The RX1 'type of camera' will be harder to shoo away in a diverse and multi-niche market, as Sony/Zeiss have done the ground work, both make industry leading product and the price point is far from modest ;-) What goes around, comes around.
p.55 #7 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
sebboh wrote:
this is where my thinking is right now as i love the 35mm focal length.
the same and I really liked my ZE 35 f2 lens. I thought that was one of my best Zeiss lenses (with 21 and 100MP).
If this lens is anywhere close or better (OMG!!!), I can't wait to get mine
p.55 #8 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
Ed, a NEX5 plus Contax G wide cannot be compared on so many levels: build quality (determined by price point), target market, sensor size, Mp count, adapter issues with AF legacy lens - it's a rather fiddly dogs dinner. I mention the target market as the alt interest in NEX really surprised Sony - they thought they were making another 'fly this kite' odd little body with a fine sensor inside and a couple of their own so-so lenses, hence all the catchup antics (design consolidation and lens dev) this past year.
Then the real reason explained by Zeiss: legacy wide angles do not work as intended on the NEX reg distance, even though no one seemed to notice for a while!
I think the RX1 is a great size and shape, tightly compact with dominant lens profile.
It's a real camera (not a pocket ornament there are surely plenty of those already) and a very light one at that.
Great knurling on the top panel dials and what a excellent shutter button design - the outer flange supports the finger pad just as the shutter approaches the release zone, assisting the other handholding features: OSS and leaf shutter. Simple but effective yet so many (ahem, very expensive) cams get this fundamental stuff very wrong.
p.55 #9 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
Douglas wrote:
Yeah, if this camera had a tilt LCD and/or built-in EVF, as well as a standard-ish prime, I would have definitely pre-ordered it. In fact, I may have pre-ordered it with just one of those three things, but as it stands now, it's just a little too far off from what I'd like.
This is why I am going for the X-E1: fitted with the 30/1.4, similar DOF Wide open etc., the RX1, but with built-in EVF. I know this is a bit OT, but I tried the Leica M8 and really hated the ergonomics AND the form factor (body shape).
A bit larger in both directions, but no clip-on EVF; flatter form factor than the RX1 if fitted with the external EVF (but the optical finder is a flatter profile); the grip is built in, too. EFOV: 53mm (like Douglas, I prefer the 45–50mm FOV).
p.55 #10 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
Kit Laughlin wrote:
And WAY less expensive. Just sayin'....
not with the 35/1.4 your talking about, it'll probably be just a couple hundred (if that) less. it's also considerably bigger with less resolution and almost certainly lower image quality.
edit: oops i thought you were talking about the announced 35mm equiv lens. you meant the actual 35mm lens (52mm equiv) right? that is like $800 cheaper.
it does look like a pretty sweet deal for a csc though. i suspect i'll prefer the NEX-6 though due to ergonomics and size, but such is a matter of personal preference.
p.55 #12 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
ken,
X-Pro 1 does not have adjustable diopter (my assistant and I share cameras when we work together), the X-E1 has the same sensor but is smaller, and uses lenses that are the equal of Zeiss lenses (IMHO), and the faster speed of the 30 on an APS-C sensor yields similar DOF characteristics.
And it can take a bunch of other lenses, including excellent OEM ones, like the 30/1.4.
p.55 #13 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
Both the X-Pro1 and X-E1 are certainly interesting cameras, to me, outside of my concern with X-trans. Still, from what I've seen and read so far, the X-E1's EVF has some of that jerkiness of the other X camera EVFs that drives my batty with my X100, and the EVF fps is slower than the NEX-7, likely because X-Trans is so processor intensive. I'd rather just have the OVF of the X-Pro1. I like what I've seen from that Fuji 35/1.4, but I'm concerned that, since it uses the older focusing motor, it's likely near its peak AF speed with the latest firmware, which still isn't exactly fast.
I'm just going to stick with the NEX-7 with the Sigma 30...until the Sony 35/1.8 OSS comes out...and then maybe until the Ziess 32/1.8 comes out....and then maybe until the RX1B comes out with a 50mm lens...and then maybe until I can justify the new Leica M with a ZM 50/2....and then maybe until I can justify the Leica 50/2 APO.
p.55 #14 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
Douglas, I hear you, but:
I only use EVFs for framing; they are all 100%, so effective in that regard. The one on the X-E1 is the highest rez one so far, so I will trade that for jerkiness. I do understand about the X-Trans issues for your interest areas, but for mine (architecture and portraits), not an issue. I understand about the X-Pro1's OVF, but as an ex X100 owner, I was not convinced. A decent EVF will work for me (the EVF on the GX1 is doing that presently).
OTOH, I have not thought about the AF speed—but the RX1 does not have a built-in finder, so 'target acquisition and execution' will be hindered more by that, for me, than the focus motor speed limitation, I suspect.
The NEX-7 + Siggy 30 is an excellent combo—I had it too, so I get you there, too.
p.55 #16 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
FWIW, I'm not sure if architecture is safe or not, at least from the building shot that I saw somewhere in this forum, but I don't want to turn this into another X-trans thread. I'm personally married to Lightroom at this point, which makes the situation even tougher. Still, I've almost pulled the trigger on the X-Pro1 a couple of times.
The X-E1's EVF is the same unit/resolution as in the NEX-5N, 6, 7, A77, A99, although processing and optics vary from camera to camera.
I really think the RX1 is cool. My wallet is glad that there are a few things I'd need to be different about the camera.
p.55 #17 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
Back a bunch of pages those were linked in but it's worthwhile bringing them up again.I have a hankering for rice crackers every time I see that photo of the jars.
During the week of October 8th there'll be reviewers with full access to the RX1 and other new Sony cameras so more to come.
p.55 #19 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
philip_pj wrote:
I think the RX1 is a great size and shape, tightly compact with dominant lens profile.
It's a real camera (not a pocket ornament there are surely plenty of those already) and a very light one at that.
Great knurling on the top panel dials and what a excellent shutter button design - the outer flange supports the finger pad just as the shutter approaches the release zone, assisting the other handholding features: OSS and leaf shutter. Simple but effective yet so many (ahem, very expensive) cams get this fundamental stuff very wrong.
Where did you find that is has OSS? The image stabilisation type is SteadyShot. Does that not only work in video mode? The Sony site I linked to earlier states that the effective focal length with SteadyShot on is 44mm. This indicates (reasonably so) that the image circle is not large enough to cope for sensor movements with full frame.
p.55 #20 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
Rather than OSS or IBIS, maybe the RX1 uses digital steady shot for video, which crops the video so that it can move the image around on the sensor. Sony has used that in Handycams for a long time.
