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p.25 #1 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


goosemang what other full frame cam comes with a zeiss autofocus lens?

rx1 hands on video and specs.
http://sonyalphanex.blogspot.com/2012/09/sony-rx1-hands-on-video-and-specs.html



Sep 11, 2012 at 11:49 PM
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p.25 #2 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


The Sony thumb grip may have electronics pass through, so that you can mount the EVF, and that may explain the price.

Edit: never mind, it's a cold shoe

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Sep 11, 2012 at 11:56 PM
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p.25 #3 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


goosemang wrote:

not to get off topic but was that thumbs up REALLY worth it? it's such a ripoff but I want one badly


Yes, for me at least it made a day and night difference. With it, the camera can be held very securely with one hand and feels much more comfortable to use. After using it, I don't think I could use an X100 happily without one. There are cheaper versions available that I have not used that may work just as well.



Sep 11, 2012 at 11:57 PM
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p.25 #4 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


Tariq Gibran wrote:
Yes, for me at least it made a day and night difference. With it, the camera can be held very securely with one hand and feels much more comfortable to use. After using it, I don't think I could use an X100 happily without one. There are cheaper versions available that I have not used that may work just as well.


thanks. one of these days I'll suck it up, I guess. maybe for Christmas!



Sep 11, 2012 at 11:58 PM
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p.25 #5 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


The video Engadget threw up with a Sony rep talking says the sensor has twice the light sensitivity and 50% more dynamic range "than any sensor we've developed in the past". I'm assuming they mean a sensor they've used in their own cameras (A900, APS-C 16MP, etc..) and not including the 36MP sensor they developed for Nikon.

Video here:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/12/sony-cyber-shot-rx1-compact-camera-packs-a-full-frame-senso/#continued

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Sep 12, 2012 at 12:13 AM
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p.25 #6 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


Is it just me feel NEX7 is better designed camera without mention APSc sensor.
I guess Sony might know Leica's new offering with price at $5000?
It would also fun to know that M10 has the same sensor for $10000, suddenly, it is very misleading for costumer to justify this P&S camera's $2800 price.
Gosh, how they can ask this price on this body? Sommething seriously wrong. There is no taste for the body design, looks like a toy.
Sorry for typo as i am on iPhone.



Sep 12, 2012 at 12:13 AM
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p.25 #7 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


So it looks like like it has image stabilization? It shows in the specs as "Optical SteadyShot". But it's weird that it's not using the phase detect array from the A99 sensor.


Sep 12, 2012 at 12:17 AM
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p.25 #8 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


zhangyue wrote:
Is it just me feel NEX7 is better designed camera without mention APSc sensor.
I guess Sony might know Leica's new offering with price at $5000?
It would also fun to know that M10 has the same sensor for $10000, suddenly, it is very misleading for costumer to justify this P&S camera's $2800 price.
Gosh, how they can ask this price on this body? Sommething seriously wrong. There is no taste for the body design, looks like a toy.
Sorry for typo as i am on iPhone.


nex-7 + 24mm zeiss = $2300
full frame rx1 = $2800



Sep 12, 2012 at 12:23 AM
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p.25 #9 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


EVF $600, does it take picture by itself?

Suddenly x100 feels like such a bargain



Sep 12, 2012 at 12:25 AM
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p.25 #10 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


Sony probably won't include a printed or downloadable manual!



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Sep 12, 2012 at 12:35 AM
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p.25 #11 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


ken.vs.ryu wrote:
nex-7 + 24mm zeiss = $2300
full frame rx1 = $2800


and the rx1 is very much smaller.

controls look pretty good to me, but the lack of tilt lcd may be a deal breaker. i want to see what the evf is like still too.

i really like the leaf shutter, but i'm not a fan of 1/2000s being the highest shutter speed. i don't want to have to carry ND filters all the time.

finally WTF sony!!! still max of 2/3 ev for bracketing!



Sep 12, 2012 at 12:35 AM
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p.25 #12 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


Hands On Preview:

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/sony-cybershot-dsc-rx1/




Sep 12, 2012 at 12:37 AM
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p.25 #13 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


sebboh wrote:
and the rx1 is very much smaller.

controls look pretty good to me, but the lack of tilt lcd may be a deal breaker. i want to see what the evf is like still too.

i really like the leaf shutter, but i'm not a fan of 1/2000s being the highest shutter speed. i don't want to have to carry ND filters all the time.

finally WTF sony!!! still max of 2/3 ev for bracketing!


EVF looks just like 5Ns, but in black. Scroll down: Link



Sep 12, 2012 at 12:41 AM
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p.25 #14 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


douglasf13 wrote:
EVF looks just like 5Ns, but in black. Scroll down: Link


are the specs the same other than the connector?



Sep 12, 2012 at 12:46 AM
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p.25 #15 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


it says PlayMemories Lite - maybe a bracketing app in there - not sure.

it can go down to 50 ISO, so you get another stop.



Sep 12, 2012 at 12:47 AM
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p.25 #16 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


dcjs wrote:
That is why I said that the E-mount being tight and close to the sensor is a challenge for lenses that have an exit pupil that is far from the sensor, while (more symmetrical) lenses with an exit pupil close to the sensor are a challenge because of the angle of incidence.


My point was that it is not a challenge, you simply move the optics further into the barrel if needed, similar to, say 300mm 135 format lenses, for example. Sure, it is a challenge to take full advantage of such a mount, but choosing a short register distance is a no-brainer with no disadvantages.



Sep 12, 2012 at 12:59 AM
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p.25 #17 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


Wait a minute. $2800? I don't get that. Who is the target audience?


Sep 12, 2012 at 12:59 AM
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p.25 #18 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


Tom K. wrote:
Wait a minute. $2800? I don't get that. Who is the target audience?


Me. I don't get the not getting it. What other FF camera could I get with a 35/2 for the same price? And won't it be at least twice the size and weight?

Just go on whining. I'll buy one.



Sep 12, 2012 at 01:06 AM
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p.25 #19 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


carstenw wrote:
My point was that it is not a challenge, you simply move the optics further into the barrel if needed, similar to, say 300mm 135 format lenses, for example. Sure, it is a challenge to take full advantage of such a mount, but choosing a short register distance is a no-brainer with no disadvantages.


As was already mentioned, then you end up with more highly angled light rays, which are a problem on digital. Either way, there is a new FF Nex camcorder announced tonight, so it looks to be ok with a-mount lenses.



Sep 12, 2012 at 01:12 AM
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p.25 #20 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


No EVF on board is serious problem for me make it quick trip to the P&S group. Hold at arm level/length all the time for $2800 camera, that looks funny. Once add $500 EVF (even though it still looks funny), it is a $3300 camera, I'd better with M8/8.2 with VS28f2 or Biogonf2.

The price indicate sony never expect it sell a lot of this. and NEX-7 looks like a bargain.

Yes, NEX-7 with Zeiss 24 is about $2400, but you can change lens and EVF is on board like a camera.







Sep 12, 2012 at 01:12 AM
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